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* InsaneEqualsViolent: Manages to subvert this despite featuring the actual Caligula. His violent/psychopathic tendencies are explicitly shown NOT to follow from his psychotic delusions: he's a killer from childhood, but doesn't go mad until after he becomes Emperor years later. Livia and other murderous characters are described as "mad" by other characters, but are not shown as irrational - even Nero, explicitly called "as mad as... Caligula", is clearly nothing of the kind.
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* InsaneEqualsViolent: Manages to subvert this despite featuring the actual Caligula.Subverted. His violent/psychopathic tendencies are explicitly shown NOT to follow from his psychotic delusions: he's a killer from childhood, but doesn't go mad until after he becomes Emperor years later. Livia and other murderous characters are described as "mad" by other characters, but are not shown as irrational - even Nero, explicitly called "as mad as... Caligula", is clearly nothing of the kind.
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-->''(during Claudius' hallucination in the Senate)'' "And your nose is still running, Claudius. It's still running."
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* OffingTheOffspringOffingTheOffspring: Locks Livilla in her bedroom to starve to death after learning of her role in Sejanus' plot.
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* HairOfGold: A rare male example of this trope. His children are all inversions (either good but dark-haired or blonde but evil).
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* HairOfGold: HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: A rare male example of this trope.trope; blond-haired and admired by all as a virtuous hero of the German front. His children are all inversions (either good but dark-haired or blonde but evil).
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* AFatherToHisMen: like his father and grandfather.
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* AFatherToHisMen: like Like his father and grandfather.
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* BerserkButton: Mention Aggrippina's name around Tiberius and he'll want to murder everything in sight.
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* BerserkButton: Mention Aggrippina's Agrippina's name around Tiberius and he'll want to murder everything in sight.
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* {{Yandere}}: After divorcing Vipsania, he becomes this. Subverted in that he was forced into a divorce, and his love of his wife one of his few redeeming qualities.
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* ReluctantRuler
* SpeechImpediment: Though it improves as he gets older.
* UglyGuyHotWife: With Messalina. It ends badly.
* SpeechImpediment: Though it improves as he gets older.
* UglyGuyHotWife: With Messalina. It ends badly.
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* YouShouldHaveDiedInstead: Claudius' mother lobs this at him after the death of her more accomplished son, Germanicus.
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* ReluctantRuler: Tiberius was fairly reluctant about the role his mother planned for him, too. [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity The power went to his head pretty quickly, though]].
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* WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity
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* AGodAmI: Subverted and played straight. He technically is worshipped as one, but he sure as hell doesn't want it.
* AGodAmI: Subverted and played straight. He technically is worshipped as one, but he sure as hell doesn't want it.
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The protaganist protagonist of the series, as well as the narrator. His life is essentially one tragedy after another. Played by DerekJacobi.
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* {{Cloudcuckoolander}}: Although it's mostly an act.
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* LonelyAtTheTop
* NotSoAboveItAll: A darker version of this trope: Claudius thinks he can remain separate from the murderous schemes absorbing his family. Unfortunately, when Claudius himself comes to power, he finds he must get his own hands dirty in order to survive.
* LonelyAtTheTop
* NotSoAboveItAll: A darker version of this trope: Claudius thinks he can remain separate from the murderous schemes absorbing his family. Unfortunately, when Claudius himself comes to power, he finds he must get his own hands dirty in order to survive.
* ProperlyParanoid: Claudius is convinced his (last) wife is trying to poison him. Oh, wait. She is.
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Did feel genuine guilt for murdering Augustus, and As horrible as Livia was, even she was horrified when she learned disgusted to learn that Caligula had murdered his father.own father. And she felt genuinely bad about murdering Augustus.
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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: In all likelihood, the real Livia was not a scheming mastermind and never poisoned anyone.
* IDidWhatIHadToDo: Livia ruthlessly manipulates and kills family members and anyone else close to them to ensure her son becomes emperor and Rome does not return to being a Republic, convinced this is the only way for the city to remain great.
* IWasQuiteALooker
* ManipulativeBitch: She plays Augustus like a fiddle.
* MasterPoisoner
* MyBelovedSmother: To Tiberius.
* OffingTheOffspring
* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: In all likelihood, the real Livia was not a scheming mastermind and never poisoned anyone.
* IDidWhatIHadToDo: Livia ruthlessly manipulates and kills family members and anyone else close to them to ensure her son becomes emperor and Rome does not return to being a Republic, convinced this is the only way for the city to remain great.
* IWasQuiteALooker
* ManipulativeBitch: She plays Augustus like a fiddle.
* MasterPoisoner
* MyBelovedSmother: To Tiberius.
* OffingTheOffspring
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Claudius's insane nephew, and the third emperor of Rome. Played by John Hurt.
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* BrotherSisterIncest: With Drusilla. "And you know how I ''love'' my sisters..."
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* EnfanteTerrible: Is already a murderer before he even hitpubertypuberty.
* EnfanteTerrible: Is already a murderer before he even hit
* ImAHumanitarian
* InsaneEqualsViolent: Manages to subvert this despite featuring the actual Caligula. His violent/psychopathic tendencies are explicitly shown NOT to follow from his psychotic delusions: he's a killer from childhood, but doesn't go mad until after he becomes Emperor years later. Livia and other murderous characters are described as "mad" by other characters, but are not shown as irrational - even Nero, explicitly called "as mad as... Caligula", is clearly nothing of the kind.
* ItAmusedMe: Caligula has some shades of this - he does things like set up the young, beautiful Messalina with unattractive Claudius because he thinks it's funny.
* InsaneEqualsViolent: Manages to subvert this despite featuring the actual Caligula. His violent/psychopathic tendencies are explicitly shown NOT to follow from his psychotic delusions: he's a killer from childhood, but doesn't go mad until after he becomes Emperor years later. Livia and other murderous characters are described as "mad" by other characters, but are not shown as irrational - even Nero, explicitly called "as mad as... Caligula", is clearly nothing of the kind.
* ItAmusedMe: Caligula has some shades of this - he does things like set up the young, beautiful Messalina with unattractive Claudius because he thinks it's funny.
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* AGodAmI: Feels it's the only way to avoid eternal damnation.
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* ManipulativeBastard: She plays Augustus like a fiddle.
* DrivenToSuicide: It's okay, though. For Romans, this is an honorable choice.
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* ParentalFavouritism: Germanicus is obviously her favorite. She doesn't even seem to like Livilla all that much, even before Livilla becomes her grandmother's pet.
* ParentalFavouritism: Germanicus is obviously her favorite. She doesn't even seem to like Livilla all that much, even before Livilla becomes her grandmother's pet.
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* AGodAmI: In BlondeGuysAreEvil: As opposed to his father's HairOfGold. The resemblance is part of why the more usual sense.senators trust him initially, much to everyone's eventual horror.
* AGodAmI: In the more usual sense.
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* AdiposeRex: Very notably the largest of the Julio-Claudian emperors.
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* SelfMadeOrphan: The Sibyl reveals he will kill his mother once she's no longer useful.
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* CompleteMonster
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* JerkassWoobie: As much as an asshole as he is, it's kind of hard not to pity him when he learns that his son had been murdered by his allegedly "trustworthy" advisor.
** Not to mention that he never really wanted to be emperor in the first place and was pushed into it by his mother...whose plans necessitated forcing him to divorce the woman he was deeply in love with.
** Not to mention that he never really wanted to be emperor in the first place and was pushed into it by his mother...whose plans necessitated forcing him to divorce the woman he was deeply in love with.
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* CompleteMonster
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* JerkassWoobie: In her final moments.
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* AlasPoorVillain
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* AwesomeByAnalysis: Used his historical knowledge to win battles and retrieve the last Eagle.
* ObfuscatingDisability
* TheUnfavourite: His mother, Antonia, was always disgusted by him in comparison to Germanicus.
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* AFatherToHisMen: like his father and grandfather.
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* ColonelBadass: a very capable general.
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* HappilyMarried: Until Livia ruins it.
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* SergeantRock: "They say your drills are bloodless battles, and your battles are bloody drills." Tiberius, however, is fair, even sleeping without a tent if his troops couldn't have one.
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* TrainingFromHell: his take on army training.
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* ObfuscatingStupidity: Pretty much the only reason that he survives for as long as he does
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* TheWoobie: His life is one long series of hardships afteranother
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* TheChessmaster
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** Not to mention the fact that he never seemed to particularly want to be emporer in the first place, but was pretty much forced into it by his bitch of a mother, whose schemes basically ruined his life.
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Claudius's uncle, and the second emporer. Pretty much totally unlikable.
** Not to mention the fact that he never seemed to particularly want to be emporer in the first place, but was pretty much forced into itPlayed by his bitch of a mother, whose schemes basically ruined his life.George Baker.
** Not to mention the fact that he never seemed to particularly want to be emporer in the first place, but was pretty much forced into it
** Not to mention that he never really wanted to be emperor in the first place and was pushed into it by his mother...whose plans necessitated forcing him to divorce the woman he was deeply in love with.
* KickTheDog: The scene where a woman he's raped is driven to commit suicide in front of her husband and guests is pretty much there to show us he's much less pitiable since he became emperor.
* KickTheDog: The scene where a woman he's raped is driven to commit suicide in front of her husband and guests is pretty much there to show us he's much less pitiable since he became emperor.
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* SissyVillain
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* AGodAmI: Feels it's the only way to avoid eternal damnation.
* EvenEvilHasStandards: Did feel genuine guilt for murdering Augustus, and was horrified when she learned that Caligula murdered his father.
* JerkassWoobie: In her final moments.
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* JerkassWoobie: In her final moments.
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Did feel genuine guilt for murdering Augustus, and was horrified when she learned that Caligula murdered his father.
* JerkassWoobie: In her final moments.
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* TheCaligula: Well Duh.
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** Not to mention the fact that he never seemed to particularly want to be emporer in the first place, but was pretty much forced into it by his bitch of a mother, whose schemes basically ruined his life.
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* JerkassWoobie: As much as an asshole as he is, it's kind MommasBoy: A very tragic example of hard not to pity him when he learns that his son had been murdered by his allegedly "trustworthy" advisor.
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* [[Yandere]]: {{Yandere}}: After divorcing Vipsania, he becomes this. Subverted in that he was forced into a divorce, and his love of his wife is his one redeeming quality.
* MommasBoy: A very tragic example of one.
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* MommasBoy: A very tragic example of one.
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