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** Is Harry TheHero and [[MessianicArchetype a genuine savior]] or a trust-fund orphan whose DeceasedParentsAreTheBest attitude gives him MoralMyopia to dismiss more middle-class family troubles like that of Hermione and Ron's as being of little importance compared to his adventure story? Some critics argue that Harry at times is a DesignatedHero, since most of the times he never really comes up with great magic, skill or intelligence but rather wins by luck, sacrifices made by better wizards and convenient plot coupons.

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** Is Harry TheHero and [[MessianicArchetype a genuine savior]] or a trust-fund orphan whose DeceasedParentsAreTheBest attitude gives him MoralMyopia to dismiss more middle-class family troubles like that of Hermione and Ron's as being of little importance compared to his adventure story? Some critics argue that Harry at times is a DesignatedHero, since most of the times he never really comes up with great magic, skill or intelligence but rather wins by luck, sacrifices made by better wizards and convenient plot coupons.coupons, with most of his decisions made by Dumbledore beyond the grave. It's hard to argue against Snape calling him mediocre as a student and wizard when what [[spoiler: defeated Voldemort had little to do with knowledge and skill, and mostly came about because Voldemort was self-destructive and incompetent]].
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** Likewise is Hermione really the "brightest witch of her age" or merely a BadassBookworm whose book knowledge limits her curiosity and interest about unconventional and unknown branches of magic. It's noted that Hermione, unlike the other TeenGenius mentioned in the backstory (Dumbledore, Riddle, the Marauders, Snape) isn't nearly as prodigious or creative, being more resourceful in a BoringButPractical rather than creative in the manner of the Marauder's Map or Snape's Potion improvements.

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** Likewise is Hermione really the "brightest witch of her age" or merely a BadassBookworm whose book knowledge limits her curiosity and interest about unconventional and unknown branches of magic. It's noted that Hermione, unlike the other TeenGenius mentioned in the backstory (Dumbledore, Riddle, the Marauders, Snape) isn't nearly as prodigious or creative, being more resourceful in a BoringButPractical manner rather than creative in the manner of the Marauder's Map or Snape's Potion improvements.

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*** The final book has Harry leading the trio on [[MissingStepsPlan a vague plan]] to hunt horcruxes that mostly involves camping in the wild, which justifiably gets Ron frustrated. Harry also gets involved a wacky sidequest about the Deathly Hallows, nearly gets himself and Hermione killed at Godric's Hollow, almost gets drowned chasing a Patronus to a lake and in each occassion gets saved by Hermione and Ron. His clues to finding the Horcruxes also comes by "sheer dumb luck". Likewise his skills as a Quidditch player are praised to natural talent but [[spoiler:in fact Ginny and Ron win the Quidditch Cup without him being on the team, ''twice'']]. Most of the duels he fights are against minor opponents like Draco Malfoy, with only PlotArmor keeping him from losing against Voldemort and the Death Eaters who are ordered not to kill him. He is totally outclassed [[spoiler:by Severus Snape when he attacks him at the end of Book 6, getting totally curb-stomped in the process]].
*** When compared to the fact that his parents were geniuses, Hermione is a smart witch, that Ron makes more sacrifices by going against his family, that Neville shows more decisive CharacterDevelopment and that ultimately, all his decisions were made by Dumbledore, even beyond the grave, it's hard to argue against Snape calling him mediocre as a student and wizard when what [[spoiler: defeated Voldemort had little to do with knowledge and skill]].

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*** The final book has Harry leading the trio on [[MissingStepsPlan a vague plan]] to hunt horcruxes that mostly involves camping in the wild, which justifiably gets Ron frustrated. Harry also gets involved a wacky sidequest about the Deathly Hallows, nearly gets himself and ** Likewise is Hermione killed at Godric's Hollow, almost gets drowned chasing a Patronus to a lake and in each occassion gets saved by Hermione and Ron. His clues to finding really the Horcruxes also comes by "sheer dumb luck". Likewise his skills as a Quidditch player are praised to natural talent but [[spoiler:in fact Ginny and Ron win the Quidditch Cup without him being on the team, ''twice'']]. Most "brightest witch of the duels he fights are against minor opponents like Draco Malfoy, with only PlotArmor keeping him from losing against Voldemort and the Death Eaters who are ordered not to kill him. He is totally outclassed [[spoiler:by Severus Snape when he attacks him at the end of Book 6, getting totally curb-stomped in the process]].
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her age" or merely a smart witch, that Ron makes more sacrifices by going against his family, that Neville shows more decisive CharacterDevelopment and that ultimately, all his decisions were made by Dumbledore, even beyond the grave, it's hard to argue against Snape calling him mediocre as a student and wizard when what [[spoiler: defeated Voldemort had little to do with BadassBookworm whose book knowledge limits her curiosity and skill]].interest about unconventional and unknown branches of magic. It's noted that Hermione, unlike the other TeenGenius mentioned in the backstory (Dumbledore, Riddle, the Marauders, Snape) isn't nearly as prodigious or creative, being more resourceful in a BoringButPractical rather than creative in the manner of the Marauder's Map or Snape's Potion improvements.

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*** Similarly, and also in-universe, the Marauders. Up until Harry saw Snape's memories, he thought his father was a good and kind man at all times with a hint of mischief, only to see he had a good measure of malice and was a bully. It's largely implied that James grew past most of it, though, what with fighting against Voldemort and eventually sacrificing his life in an attempt to save his family.

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*** ** Similarly, and also in-universe, the Marauders. Up until Harry saw Snape's memories, he thought his father was a good and kind man at all times with a hint of mischief, only to see he had a good measure of malice and was a bully. It's largely implied that James grew past most of it, though, what with fighting against Voldemort and eventually sacrificing his life in an attempt to save his family.family.
** James Potter: arrogant BigManOnCampus who did [[CharacterDevelopment mature]] past his prankster ways, or a ManipulativeBastard who destroyed Snape and Lily's friendship, stole her from him and whose condescending UnderestimatingBadassery of Peter Pettigrew led him and his wife to be [[HoistByHisOwnPetard betrayed by him]] and leave Harry to be orphaned?
** Lily Potter: In she an overly sensitive girl who overreacted to her best friend's slip of the tongue and didn't even let him apologize? Or had she been putting up with his dark interests for far too long and his insult was merely the straw that broke the camel's back?


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** Is Harry TheHero and [[MessianicArchetype a genuine savior]] or a trust-fund orphan whose DeceasedParentsAreTheBest attitude gives him MoralMyopia to dismiss more middle-class family troubles like that of Hermione and Ron's as being of little importance compared to his adventure story? Some critics argue that Harry at times is a DesignatedHero, since most of the times he never really comes up with great magic, skill or intelligence but rather wins by luck, sacrifices made by better wizards and convenient plot coupons.
*** The final book has Harry leading the trio on [[MissingStepsPlan a vague plan]] to hunt horcruxes that mostly involves camping in the wild, which justifiably gets Ron frustrated. Harry also gets involved a wacky sidequest about the Deathly Hallows, nearly gets himself and Hermione killed at Godric's Hollow, almost gets drowned chasing a Patronus to a lake and in each occassion gets saved by Hermione and Ron. His clues to finding the Horcruxes also comes by "sheer dumb luck". Likewise his skills as a Quidditch player are praised to natural talent but [[spoiler:in fact Ginny and Ron win the Quidditch Cup without him being on the team, ''twice'']]. Most of the duels he fights are against minor opponents like Draco Malfoy, with only PlotArmor keeping him from losing against Voldemort and the Death Eaters who are ordered not to kill him. He is totally outclassed [[spoiler:by Severus Snape when he attacks him at the end of Book 6, getting totally curb-stomped in the process]].
*** When compared to the fact that his parents were geniuses, Hermione is a smart witch, that Ron makes more sacrifices by going against his family, that Neville shows more decisive CharacterDevelopment and that ultimately, all his decisions were made by Dumbledore, even beyond the grave, it's hard to argue against Snape calling him mediocre as a student and wizard when what [[spoiler: defeated Voldemort had little to do with knowledge and skill]].
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*** There are also questions by fans if Snape's affection [[spoiler:for Lily]] was real love or merely LovingAShadow and being a StalkerWithACrush. They point out that he never seemed to care about her real personality and feelings, kept ignoring all her criticisms and the fact that after their FriendshipBreakingMoment, Snape went on to immerse himself in the Dark Arts rather than accept he was wrong and try and change . It wasn't until he accidentally endangered her life that he started changing and that was mostly because Dumbledore kept poking into his conscience. Likewise, [[spoiler:years later, he rips up a family photograph of Lily, James and Harry, keeping Lily and a part of a letter she wrote to Sirius for himself, completely ignoring that the letter and photo is proof that Lily was HappilyMarried]].

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*** There are also questions by fans if Snape's affection [[spoiler:for Lily]] was real love or merely LovingAShadow and being a StalkerWithACrush. They point out that he never seemed to care about her real personality and feelings, kept ignoring all her criticisms and the fact that what she said as long as it was badmouthing James Potter. Even after their FriendshipBreakingMoment, Lily broke off with Snape, Snape went on to immerse himself in the Dark Arts rather than accept he was wrong and try and change .change. It wasn't until he accidentally endangered her life that he started changing and that was mostly because Dumbledore kept poking into his conscience. Likewise, [[spoiler:years later, he rips up a family photograph of Lily, James and Harry, keeping Lily and a part of a letter she wrote to Sirius for himself, completely ignoring that the letter and photo is proof that Lily was HappilyMarried]].
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*** There are also questions by fans if Snape's affection [[spoiler:for Lily]] was real love or merely LovingAShadow and being a StalkerWithACrush. They point out that he never seemed to care about her real personality and feelings, kept ignoring all her criticisms and the fact that after their FriendshipBreakingMoment, Snape went on to immerse himself in the Dark Arts rather than accept he was wrong and try and change . It wasn't until he accidentally endangered her life that he started changing and that was mostly because Dumbledore kept poking into his conscience. Likewise, [[spoiler:years later, he rips up a family photograph of Lily, James and Harry, keeping Lily and a part of a letter she wrote to Sirius for himself, completely ignoring that the letter and photo is proof that Lily was HappilyMarried]].
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*** Supporting the NotEvilJustMisunderstood angle is the welcome letter at Pottermore for those who were sorted into Slytherin, which paints the house as edgy but enjoying that reputation ("see if they will mess with your stuff after you let it slip you know a couple of really strong curses"), banding together and looking out for each other, and way less blood purist than you might think (it is pointed out already in book one that without halfbloods the wizards and witches might have died out long ago). It also adds that getting into that house is a sign of latent potential, even if that is not apparent at first at all (proven with Crabbe and Goyle who go from DumbMuscle to very efficient at the Dark Arts in the course of ''months''.)
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** In the final battle the Slytherins are sent out of Hogwarts. Apparently it seems that the protagonists were worried that they would support the Death Eaters. [[spoiler:It turns out that they left to get reinforcements to fight against Voldemort.]]

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** In the final battle the Slytherins are sent out of Hogwarts. Apparently it seems that the protagonists were worried that they would support the Death Eaters. [[spoiler:It turns out that they left to get reinforcements to fight against Voldemort.]]
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** Arthur and Molly Weasley - really the awesome parents everyone thinks they are, or a pair of selfish jerks who made life harder for their family than it had to be? Arthur clung to a job that he knew didn't pay well enough to really accommodate his large family simply because it allowed him to indulge his Muggle studying hobby, and the last book insinuates that Molly really wanted a daughter and was willing to go through six sons to have one daughter, despite knowing that her husband's job didn't pay very well for the kids they kept having.

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** Arthur and Molly Weasley - really the awesome parents everyone thinks they are, or a pair of selfish jerks who made life harder for their family than it had to be? Until the fourth book, the Weasleys claimed that Arthur clung stuck to a his low-paying, low-status job that he knew didn't pay well enough to really accommodate his large family simply because he liked it allowed him that much in spite of having a huge family to indulge his Muggle studying hobby, feed (the fourth book establishes that he's being ''kept'' down because he doesn't think Muggles are subhuman) and the last book insinuates that Molly really wanted a daughter and was willing to go through six sons to have one daughter, despite knowing that her husband's job didn't pay very well for the kids they kept having.
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*** While it is painfully obvious that he does not like Harry, it is possible that at least some of it was an act to fool the Death Eaters and Voldemort himself, though there are cases where it was plainly stated he was acting. There's also his intense hate towards Sirius. Does he hate him enough to kill him just because Sirius was a member of The Marauders who almost got him killed, or did he hate Sirius for betraying Lily's trust and getting her killed? Keep in mind that when Snape confronted Sirius in the Shrieking Shack, Pettigrew has yet to be exposed, and as far as anyone knew, Black was the cause of the Potter's tragedy. After Pettigrew was exposed, did he still hate Sirius because he switched with Pettigrew? On that note, once he knew the truth about Pettigrew, did he treat Pettigrew with contempt bacause he hated him for betraying Lily? Or was he just that much of an ass?]]

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*** While it is painfully obvious that he does not like Harry, it is possible that at least some of it was an act to fool the Death Eaters and Voldemort himself, though there are cases where it was plainly stated he was acting. There's also his intense hate towards Sirius. Does he hate him enough to kill him just because Sirius was a member of The Marauders who almost got him killed, or did he hate Sirius for [[spoiler: betraying Lily's trust and getting her killed? Keep in mind that when Snape confronted Sirius in the Shrieking Shack, Pettigrew has yet to be exposed, and as far as anyone knew, Black was the cause of the Potter's tragedy. After Pettigrew was exposed, did he still hate Sirius because he switched with Pettigrew? On that note, once he knew the truth about Pettigrew, did he treat Pettigrew with contempt bacause he hated him for betraying Lily? Or was he just that much of an ass?]]
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*** While it is painfully obvious that he does not like Harry, it is possible that at least some of it was an act to fool the Death Eaters and Voldemort himself, though there are cases where it was plainly stated he was acting. There's also his intense hate towards Sirius. Does he hate him enough to kill him just because Sirius was a member of The Marauders who almost got him killed, or did he hate Sirius for betraying Lily's trust and getting her killed? Keep in mind that when Snape confronted Sirius in the Shrieking Shack, Pettigrew has yet to be exposed, and as far as anyone knew, Black was the cause of the Potter's tragedy. After Pettigrew was exposed, did he still hate Sirius because he switched with Pettigrew? On that note, once he knew the truth about Pettigrew, did he treat Pettigrew with contempt bacause he hated him for betraying Lily? Or was he just that much of an ass?]]
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*** It is very unlikely we'll have the tech to regrow bones, limbs, and repair nervous tissue for at least another generation. Quality of life is abysmal in most of the 'first world' except among wealthy elites. The majority of Wizards are in fact aware of the Muggle World considering how many half bloods and Muggle-borns there are every year and many do 'bounce between both worlds.' It's helpful if alternative character interpretations don't directly contradict canon.
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** Arthur and Molly Weasley - really the awesome parents everyone thinks they are, or a pair of selfish jerks who made life harder for their family than it had to be? Arthur clung to a job that he knew didn't pay well enough to really accommodate his large family simply because it allowed him to indulge his Muggle studying hobby, and the last book insinuates that Molly really wanted a daughter and was willing to go through six sons to have one daughter, despite knowing that her husband's job didn't pay very well for the kids they kept having.
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*** Heck, look at this line from the first book: "perhaps it was Harry's imagination, after all he'd heard about Slytherin, but he thought they looked like a rather unpleasant lot." I.e., are they generally bad guys, or do they only look like bad guys because Harry is an UnreliableNarrator?

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*** Heck, look at this line from the first book: "perhaps it was Harry's imagination, after all he'd heard about Slytherin, but he thought they looked like a rather an unpleasant lot." I.e., are they generally bad guys, or do they only look like bad guys that way because Harry is an UnreliableNarrator?
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** There was a theory -- "[[Literature/TheScarletPimpernel The Red-Headed Pimpernel]]" -- that Percy remained loyal to Dumbledore, and that the letter he sent Ron was meant to warn him about what the Ministry was up to, but he had to word it in such a way that it sounded like he was loyal to the Ministry in case they intercepted it. A mole within the Ministry -- someone whose loyalty to Fudge was utterly unquestioned -- would have made great sense, and Percy would be the perfect man for the job. [[FridgeLogic That didn't explain, though, why he had to be so secretive about it with his family, given that all of them are in the Order]]. Canon did not bear this idea out, sadly, and Percy was forced to eat Humble Pie for [[AmbitionIsEvil daring to have ambitions in government]] and being offended when his own father said Percy couldn't have possibly gotten his new job on his own merits.

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** There was a theory -- "[[Literature/TheScarletPimpernel The Red-Headed Pimpernel]]" -- that Percy remained loyal to Dumbledore, and that the letter he sent Ron was meant to warn him about what the Ministry was up to, but he had to word it in such a way that it sounded like he was loyal to the Ministry in case they intercepted it. A mole within the Ministry -- someone whose loyalty to Fudge was utterly unquestioned -- would have made great sense, and Percy would be the perfect man for the job. After all, he ''does'' have the same name as Sir Percy Blakeney, and given Rowling's fondness for {{MeaningfulName}}s, how could that be an accident? [[FridgeLogic That didn't explain, though, why he had to be so secretive about it with his family, given that all of them are in the Order]]. Canon did not bear this idea out, sadly, and Percy was forced to eat Humble Pie for [[AmbitionIsEvil daring to have ambitions in government]] and being offended when his own father said Percy couldn't have possibly gotten his new job on his own merits.
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** There is a theory that Percy remains loyal to Dumbledore and that the letter he sent Ron was meant to warn him about what the Ministry was up to, but he had had to word it in such a way that it sounded like he was loyal to the Ministry in case they intercepted it. [[FridgeLogic That doesn't explain, though, why he had to be so secretive about it with his family, given that all of them are in the Order]]. It made sense with [[spoiler:Snape, given his true nature as a triple agent and talent with Occlumency]], but Pecy had no such training or motive.

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** There is was a theory -- "[[Literature/TheScarletPimpernel The Red-Headed Pimpernel]]" -- that Percy remains remained loyal to Dumbledore Dumbledore, and that the letter he sent Ron was meant to warn him about what the Ministry was up to, but he had had to word it in such a way that it sounded like he was loyal to the Ministry in case they intercepted it. A mole within the Ministry -- someone whose loyalty to Fudge was utterly unquestioned -- would have made great sense, and Percy would be the perfect man for the job. [[FridgeLogic That doesn't didn't explain, though, why he had to be so secretive about it with his family, given that all of them are in the Order]]. It made sense with [[spoiler:Snape, given Canon did not bear this idea out, sadly, and Percy was forced to eat Humble Pie for [[AmbitionIsEvil daring to have ambitions in government]] and being offended when his true nature as a triple agent and talent with Occlumency]], but Pecy had no such training or motive.own father said Percy couldn't have possibly gotten his new job on his own merits.
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*** Heck, look at this line from the first book: "perhaps it was only Harry's imagination, after all he'd heard, but he thought they looked a rather unpleasant lot." I.e., are they generally bad guys, or do they only look like bad guys because Harry is an UnreliableNarrator?

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*** Heck, look at this line from the first book: "perhaps it was only Harry's imagination, after all he'd heard, heard about Slytherin, but he thought they looked like a rather unpleasant lot." I.e., are they generally bad guys, or do they only look like bad guys because Harry is an UnreliableNarrator?
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*** Heck, look at this line from the first book: "perhaps it was only Harry's imagination, after all he'd heard, but he thought they looked a rather unpleasant lot." I.e., are they generally bad guys, or do they only look like bad guys because Harry is an UnreliableNarrator?
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*** It doesn't help that even the books are a tad inconsistent. The sorting hat originally says that Hufflepuff is loyal and hard working but later in the series says that Hufflepuff takes all the students left over from the other houses. So those students who aren't brave, intelligent or ambitious.
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** House Gryffindor, the house of courage, chivalry, and protagonists, can be either just as Rowling wrote about it, or in the hands of some fans it can be turned into a House full of {{Jerk Jock}}s, {{Glory Hound}}s, and bullies, even imperialists and chauvinists.

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** House Gryffindor, the house of courage, chivalry, and protagonists, can be either just as Rowling wrote about it, or in the hands of some fans it can be turned into a House full of {{Jerk Jock}}s, {{Glory Hound}}s, the [[PopularIsDumb Popular Yet Dumb]] crowd, and bullies, even imperialists and chauvinists.bullies.
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** Last but not least, House Slytherin has been discussed and defended since long before the Sorting Hat started singing about it. First the house's nasty reputation won it fans for the EvilIsCool factor, then fans defended its most famous members, Draco and Snape ([[DracoInLeatherPants thus naming the trope]]). Now you can find Slytherin fans labeling it somewhere between DarkIsNotEvil and GoodIsNotNice -- that instead of slimeballs eager to get ahead by any means, Slytherins are unsentimental, often [[BrutalHonesty brutally honest]], but intensely loyal to their friends and, of course, cunning and ambitious.

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** Last but not least, House Slytherin has been discussed and defended since long before the Sorting Hat started singing about it.House Unity. First the house's nasty reputation won it fans for the EvilIsCool factor, then fans defended its most famous members, Draco and Snape ([[DracoInLeatherPants thus naming the trope]]). Now you can find Slytherin fans labeling it somewhere between DarkIsNotEvil and GoodIsNotNice -- that instead of slimeballs eager to get ahead by any means, Slytherins are unsentimental, practical, often [[BrutalHonesty brutally honest]], but intensely loyal to their friends and, of course, cunning and ambitious.
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** House Ravenclaw has always been a badge for the nerdier and more cerebral fans. But when ''Order of the Phoenix'' introduced Luna Lovegood, fans began associating Ravenclaw with eccentrics, mystics, and creatives, not just book-bound academics.

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** House Ravenclaw has always been a badge for the nerdier and more most cerebral fans.and intellectual of fans -- the sort of fans who write essays on esoteric symbolism and foreshadowing for fun. But when ''Order of the Phoenix'' introduced Luna Lovegood, fans began associating Ravenclaw with eccentrics, mystics, and creatives, not just book-bound academics.



** Last but not least, House Slytherin has been discussed and defended since long before the Sorting Hat started singing about it. First the house's nasty reputation won it fans for the EvilIsCool factor, then fans defended its most famous members, Draco and Snape ([[DracoInLeatherPants thus naming the trope]]). Now you can find Slytherin fans labeling it somewhere between DarkIsNotEvil and GoodIsNotNice -- that instead of slimeballs eager to get ahead by any means, Slytherins are unsentimental and often [[BrutalHonesty brutally honest]], but intensely loyal to their friends and, of course, cunning and ambitious.

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** Last but not least, House Slytherin has been discussed and defended since long before the Sorting Hat started singing about it. First the house's nasty reputation won it fans for the EvilIsCool factor, then fans defended its most famous members, Draco and Snape ([[DracoInLeatherPants thus naming the trope]]). Now you can find Slytherin fans labeling it somewhere between DarkIsNotEvil and GoodIsNotNice -- that instead of slimeballs eager to get ahead by any means, Slytherins are unsentimental and unsentimental, often [[BrutalHonesty brutally honest]], but intensely loyal to their friends and, of course, cunning and ambitious.
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** House Gryffindor, the house of courage, chivalry, and protagonists, can be either just as Rowling wrote about it, or in the hands of some fans it can be turned into a House full of {{Jerk Jock}}s and bullies, even imperialists and chauvinists.

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** House Gryffindor, the house of courage, chivalry, and protagonists, can be either just as Rowling wrote about it, or in the hands of some fans it can be turned into a House full of {{Jerk Jock}}s Jock}}s, {{Glory Hound}}s, and bullies, even imperialists and chauvinists.
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** House Hufflepuff, in canon, has something of a dull reputation ([[HufflepuffHouse there's even a trope named for it]]) and for a while this was the fandom interpretation. But recently (especially on Tumblr) Hufflepuff's bywords have become "love, friendship, community, above all '''love'''" to the point where the House's in-universe traits (diligence, patience, honesty, justice) are completely obscured.

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** House Hufflepuff, in canon, has something of a dull reputation ([[HufflepuffHouse there's even a trope named for it]]) and for a while this was the fandom interpretation. interpretation, even accepted by self-identifying 'Puffs, as a House that doesn't need glory -- they get shit done instead of waiting for praise! But recently (especially on Tumblr) Hufflepuff's bywords have become "love, friendship, community, above all '''love'''" to the point where the House's in-universe traits (diligence, patience, honesty, justice) are completely obscured.
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** House Gryffindor, the house of courage, chivalry, and protagonists, can be either just as Rowling wrote about it, or in the hands of some fans it can be turned into a House full of JerkJocks and bullies, even imperialists and chauvinists.

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** House Gryffindor, the house of courage, chivalry, and protagonists, can be either just as Rowling wrote about it, or in the hands of some fans it can be turned into a House full of JerkJocks {{Jerk Jock}}s and bullies, even imperialists and chauvinists.



** Last but not least, House Slytherin has been discussed and defended since long before the Sorting Hat started singing about it. First the house's nasty reputation won it fans for the EvilIsCool factor, then fans defended its most famous members, Draco and Snape ([[DracoInLeatherPants thus naming the trope). Now you can find Slytherin fans labeling it somewhere between DarkIsNotEvil and GoodIsNotNice -- that instead of slimeballs eager to get ahead by any means, Slytherins are unsentimental and often [[BrutalHonesty brutally honest]], but intensely loyal to their friends and, of course, cunning and ambitious.

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** Last but not least, House Slytherin has been discussed and defended since long before the Sorting Hat started singing about it. First the house's nasty reputation won it fans for the EvilIsCool factor, then fans defended its most famous members, Draco and Snape ([[DracoInLeatherPants thus naming the trope).trope]]). Now you can find Slytherin fans labeling it somewhere between DarkIsNotEvil and GoodIsNotNice -- that instead of slimeballs eager to get ahead by any means, Slytherins are unsentimental and often [[BrutalHonesty brutally honest]], but intensely loyal to their friends and, of course, cunning and ambitious.
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** The masquerade. Is it really a shield set up to protect them from things like the Witch hunts of the past and being constantly badgered by Muggle interference or a shield set up to protect the massively corrupt Ministry of Magic that lacks any substantial health and safety laws, tortures criminals, [[FantasicRacism is horribly racist]], and which verges on fascism with its ideas on ''blood purity'' and how they treat Muggles? Keep in mind that it only takes a casual observation of Muggle-dom to realize that the technology (and thus the Quality of Life) of the Muggle world has equalled/surpassed magic in almost every area. A mass revelation of this could prompt an exodus of Wizards out to seek a better life -- or it could spark greater fear against the Muggles, now a legitimate and terrifying threat? Either way, a significant threat to the power base of the Ministry. Magic is Might indeed.

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** The masquerade. Is it really a shield set up to protect them from things like the Witch hunts of the past and being constantly badgered by Muggle interference or a shield set up to protect the massively corrupt Ministry of Magic that lacks any substantial health and safety laws, tortures criminals, [[FantasicRacism [[FantasticRacism is horribly racist]], and which verges on fascism with its ideas on ''blood purity'' and how they treat Muggles? Keep in mind that it only takes a casual observation of Muggle-dom to realize that the technology (and thus the Quality of Life) of the Muggle world has equalled/surpassed magic in almost every area. A mass revelation of this could prompt an exodus of Wizards out to seek a better life -- or it could spark greater fear against the Muggles, now a legitimate and terrifying threat? Either way, a significant threat to the power base of the Ministry. Magic is Might indeed.

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** Cho Chang often gets a very bad rap in fandom, often described as a petty whiner who betrayed Harry. However, the explanation given in the book is that she's simply a fifteen year old girl mourning for her boyfriend who feels conflicted about dating another person so soon after his death. Similarly, her behaviour after Dumbledore's Army is exposed could be more seen as loyalty to her best friend rather than a betrayal of Harry, and she is more than willing to fight along side the resistance and in the Battle of Hogwarts in her final year.
** Hogwarts itself; AcademyofAdventure and bastion of higher learning for the magically inclined or AssimilationAcademy wherein 11-year-olds are forced into the roles they will be stuck with for the rest of their lives through the decisions of a talking hat?
** The masquerade. Is it really a shield set up to protect them from things like the Witch hunts of the past and being constantly badgered by Muggle interference or a shield set up to protect the massively corrupt Ministry of Magic that tortures criminals, is horribly racist, is fascist with its ideas on ''blood purity'' and how they treat Muggles, has no substantial health and safety laws whatsoever and probably realizes that the technology (and thus the Quality of Life) of the Muggle world has equalled/surpassed magic in almost every area and as such fears the erosion of their power a mass exodus of Wizards trying to seek a better life would cause?

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** Cho Chang often gets a very bad rap in fandom, often described as a petty whiner who betrayed Harry. However, the explanation given in the book is that she's simply a fifteen year old girl mourning for her boyfriend (dead under terrible circumstances that ''no'' one wants to talk about, so she can't grieve properly) who feels conflicted about dating another person so soon after his death. Similarly, her behaviour after Dumbledore's Army is exposed could be more seen as loyalty to her best friend -- the ''only'' friend who stuck by her through a year of mourning -- rather than a betrayal of Harry, and she is more than willing to fight along side the resistance and in the Battle of Hogwarts in her final year.
** Hogwarts itself; AcademyofAdventure AcademyOfAdventure and bastion of higher learning for the magically inclined or AssimilationAcademy wherein 11-year-olds are forced into the roles they will be stuck with for the rest of their lives through the decisions of a talking hat?
** The masquerade. Is it really a shield set up to protect them from things like the Witch hunts of the past and being constantly badgered by Muggle interference or a shield set up to protect the massively corrupt Ministry of Magic that lacks any substantial health and safety laws, tortures criminals, [[FantasicRacism is horribly racist, is fascist racist]], and which verges on fascism with its ideas on ''blood purity'' and how they treat Muggles, has no substantial health and safety laws whatsoever and probably realizes Muggles? Keep in mind that it only takes a casual observation of Muggle-dom to realize that the technology (and thus the Quality of Life) of the Muggle world has equalled/surpassed magic in almost every area and as such fears the erosion of their power a area. A mass revelation of this could prompt an exodus of Wizards trying out to seek a better life would cause?-- or it could spark greater fear against the Muggles, now a legitimate and terrifying threat? Either way, a significant threat to the power base of the Ministry. Magic is Might indeed.
* Ever since the first book came out, fans have been sorting themselves into one of the four Hogwarts Houses. But how those Houses themselves are interpreted by fans who self-identify has changed over time, and with over a decade's worth of personal investment and interpretation, you can end up with a fan discussion of House dynamics that only dimly resembles what Rowling herself wrote about.
** House Gryffindor, the house of courage, chivalry, and protagonists, can be either just as Rowling wrote about it, or in the hands of some fans it can be turned into a House full of JerkJocks and bullies, even imperialists and chauvinists.
** House Ravenclaw has always been a badge for the nerdier and more cerebral fans. But when ''Order of the Phoenix'' introduced Luna Lovegood, fans began associating Ravenclaw with eccentrics, mystics, and creatives, not just book-bound academics.
** House Hufflepuff, in canon, has something of a dull reputation ([[HufflepuffHouse there's even a trope named for it]]) and for a while this was the fandom interpretation. But recently (especially on Tumblr) Hufflepuff's bywords have become "love, friendship, community, above all '''love'''" to the point where the House's in-universe traits (diligence, patience, honesty, justice) are completely obscured.
** Last but not least, House Slytherin has been discussed and defended since long before the Sorting Hat started singing about it. First the house's nasty reputation won it fans for the EvilIsCool factor, then fans defended its most famous members, Draco and Snape ([[DracoInLeatherPants thus naming the trope). Now you can find Slytherin fans labeling it somewhere between DarkIsNotEvil and GoodIsNotNice -- that instead of slimeballs eager to get ahead by any means, Slytherins are unsentimental and often [[BrutalHonesty brutally honest]], but intensely loyal to their friends and, of course, cunning and ambitious.
*** This gets seriously meta when fans start Sorting characters ''from other universes'' into Harry Potter houses, which itself fuels lots of Alternative Character Interpretation. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment We'll leave it at that.]]
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* With the release of ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'', some fans (and implied in the eyes of Aberforth) have begun seeing Dumbledore as a KnightTemplar and/or a ManipulativeBastard. He was certainly a [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]]. The former two are almost certain to show up in "DarkerAndEdgier" fics. Unlike in canon, however, most have him entirely unrepentant about what he thinks of as necessary measures.
** And with [[WordOfGay the revelation of Dumbledore's homosexuality]], was Grindelwald straight but unaware of Albus's feelings, straight but aware and unable to figure out how to respond, gay but not in love with Albus, gay and in love and tragically opposed to his "better half's" sense of morality, or simply manipulating Dumbledore's feelings without any intention of reciprocating, regardless of orientation? Even [[http://harryahistory.com/2010/02/vault-xx-dumbledore-and-grinde.html]] [[WordOfGod this quote from Jo herself]] is ambiguous.
--->I think [Grindlewald] was a user and a narcissist and I think someone like that would use it, would use the infatuation. I don't think that he would reciprocate in that way, although he would be as dazzled by Dumbledore as Dumbledore was by him, because he would see in Dumbledore, 'My God, I never knew there was someone as brilliant as me, as talented as me, as powerful as me. [[WeCanRuleTogether Together, we are unstoppable!]]' Maybe he would take anything from Dumbledore to have him on his side.
** The way Dumbledore is played by [[Film/HarryPotter Richard Harris and Michael Gambon]] represent different interpretations of the character. Harris's Dumbledore is a straight-up [[TheObiWan Obi Wan]] and Gambon's Dumbledore is more of a GeniusDitz. For his part, Creator/SteveKloves has said he didn't write Dumbledore any differently after Gambon got the part, so the differences are entirely up to the acting.
** On the [=DVD=] of the second film, screenwriter Creator/SteveKloves described his interpretation of Dumbledore:
--->''"I've always felt that [[TheAtoner Dumbledore bears such a tremendous dark burden]] and he knows secrets and I think in many ways he bears the weight of the future of the wizard world, which is being challenged, and the only way that he can keep that at bay, the darkness, is to be whimsical and humorous."''
** Interpretations of Draco Malfoy range from [[DracoInLeatherPants the leather pantsed]], to a deeply lonely guy with some significant emotional problems (who might or might not be [[FoeYay completely in love with Harry]]), to an utterly irredeemable monster [[DirtyCoward whose only saving grace is that he's too cowardly to be truly evil]], to a [[FlatCharacter two-dimensional]] [[SpoiledBrat brat]]. The fact that we only see the edges of his development means he's built for this trope.
** Backward, Dumbledore's kindness to Harry is just a way to excuse himself for [[spoiler:plotting Harry's sacrifice.]]
** Snape seems to practically be intended for this kind of thing. He's AmbiguouslyEvil right up until the end of the series, and once we learn his loyalties and motivations, he's still pretty morally ambiguous. He can be viewed as a romantic ByronicHero, a smug JerkAss, or anything in between. Creator/JKRowling's stance is that Snape is "a very flawed hero. An AntiHero, perhaps. He is not a particularly likable man in many ways. He remains rather cruel, a bully, riddled with bitterness and insecurity - and yet he loved, and showed loyalty to that love and ultimately laid down his life because of it. That's pretty heroic!" Some Snape fans are determined to see him as a straight hero. This viewpoint often requires that everyone else is seen as utterly reprehensible. Most commonly the Marauders (especially James) and Lily.
** Also, Voldemort. Is he a genuine committed Pureblood supremacist? Or simply an AxCrazy lunatic hell-bent on accumulating as much power as possible, who saw hijacking the pureblood movement as the most convenient way to TakeOverTheWorld?
** Did Ginny Weasley become a BrokenBird after her traumatic first year? Perhaps she's more aggressive and bitter in the latter books because she's trying to protect herself from hurt.
*** What exactly Ginny's relationship with Tom Riddle was in her first year is open to much speculation as we're only given a few clues in the book as to what it entailed. How much free will did she have? Was she a mind-controlled slave or [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything a trusting little girl who naively obeyed a seemingly friendly stranger]]? Why didn't she tell anyone? Because of Riddle's control or because she was afraid she would get in trouble? Or did Riddle, perhaps, convince her to be afraid she would get in trouble? And, since this is fanfiction we're talking about, were [[UnequalPairing one or both in love with the other]]?
*** Rather dark interpretation: Ginny is TheAtoner and possibly a bit of a DeathSeeker. She clearly felt guilty at the end of ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets Chamber of Secrets]]'' and likely spent much of the year in that state. We're never given any indication of how she overcame this, but the simplest explanation (since ThereAreNoTherapists) is that she just buried her feelings and kept a stiff upper lip. She may not necessarily want to die, but feels that she would "deserve" it and that fighting Voldemort (in a twisted way, the same person she helped in her first year) would be an appropriate way for her to go. Her strong objections to being initially left out of the Department of Mysteries adventure and the Battle of Hogwarts. Her reply to Harry's ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies speech was "What if I don't care?" and she relented after being asked to imagine how he would feel if she died, thus forcing her to empathize. Clearly she finds the idea of Harry feeling the same kind of guilt as her worse than that of her own death.
*** Ginny's [[CharacterDevelopment transition]] from ShrinkingViolet to FieryRedhead is a [[BaseBreaker hot talking point]]. Did she get over an awkward phase, relax around Harry and let her [[CuteBruiser true colors show through]]? Or was it a hasty {{Retcon}} by Rowling to turn her into [[RelationshipSue Harry's ideal love interest?]] And does she end up a likeable, strong-willed [[YouGoGirl athletic]] Determinator, or a [[ClingyJealousgirl clingy]], [[FauxActionGirl needlessly]] [[CharacterShilling overly-praised]], [[JerkAss bitchy]] CanonSue?
** The Gryffindor/Slytherin conflict. Throughout the series, our Gryffindor heroes view Slytherin as a bastion of evil blood purists. Rowling has claimed that not all Slytherins are bad, [[LyingCreator but we've seen little evidence of this in the books]]. The most positively portrayed Slytherin in the series is Horace Slughorn, an AntiHero who still shows some signs of mild pureblood prejudice. In any case, many fans have felt obliged to reinterpret the houses, some going the full RootingForTheEmpire route to view Gryffindor as a bunch of {{Jerk Jock}}s [[VillainWithGoodPublicity With Good Publicity]] and Slytherin as NotEvilJustMisunderstood.
** The Weasley Twins: Good-natured pranksters who target the truly deserving, or cold-hearted tricksters who get away with horrifying acts because they aim them at the "traditional" enemies most of the time?
*** Similarly, and also in-universe, the Marauders. Up until Harry saw Snape's memories, he thought his father was a good and kind man at all times with a hint of mischief, only to see he had a good measure of malice and was a bully. It's largely implied that James grew past most of it, though, what with fighting against Voldemort and eventually sacrificing his life in an attempt to save his family.
** Does [[PsychoSupporter Bellatrix Lestrange]] truly believe in "the cause", or has all her actions been done in vain to win the unrequited love of the Dark Lord? It could be both.
*** Or is she just AxeCrazy and willing to work with anyone who won't interfere with her body count?
** Is Cornelius Fudge a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter or a BlackShirt? A mix of both? You decide!
** There are two ways to interpret Dolores Umbridge: (a) a KnightTemplar who truly believes in absolute loyalty to the Ministry, and (b) a mindless sycophant who only cares about power and parrots the views of the establishment for her own gain. For her part, Imelda Staunton, who plays Umbridge in the movies, subscribes to the first interpretation.
** Witness the utterly bizarro view of the characters as interpreted by the more rabid Harry/Hermione shippers: Hermione is a perfect human being who is Always Right and obviously deserves to be paired with TheHero. Ron is an idiot at best, but more likely an evil, abusive monster who would [[DomesticAbuse beat Hermione if they got together]]. Ginny is a gold-digging skank who has been dousing Harry with LovePotion. Harry and Hermione have some kind of a dorky pure love connection which transcends base lust because they're ''so'' far above that.
*** Harry gets this too, being turned into a sycophant who can't function without Hermione's guidance because She's Always Right and Has Always Had His Best Interests at Heart, who believes he's completely undeserving of a goddess like Hermione Jane [sic] Granger. Hermione has often been wrong, Harry has frequently disagreed with her, Hermione [[SheCleansUpNicely cleans up nicely]] but is not a supermodel -- oh, and they were never in love, but that goes without saying.
*** WordOfGod is that there were points where a non-platonic relationship between Harry and Hermione might have happened, such as in the 7th Book when Ron is temporarily out of the picture. TheMovie seems to have played up that angle. Depending on how much you want to overanalyse a throwaway line of dialogue, the second part actually seems to imply that something DID happen between them. ("Harry talks in his sleep, have you noticed that?" Awkward pause. "No.") Presumably they both vowed never to mention it again...
**** Or they all shared a tent for almost a year and he figured she had noticed.
**** Much more likely when you think about it - Ron obviously noticed it and I think we're safe to assume nothing like that's happened between Ron and Harry. It's more likely to be an implication that a Ron, a boy, would notice that kind of thing but Hermione, a girl, wouldn't.
**** The issue isn't so much that Ron brings up the subject, but that Hermione seems embarrassed when, on the face of it, she doesn't have any reason to be and there could be an innocent reason for her knowing. Unless she's embarrassed about there being something she doesn't know?
** What about the morality of the whole Wizarding War? OK, Voldemort himself is a bad guy who wants to take over the world and rule as dictator. But many of the Death Eaters have much less evil motivations. Many of them were very powerful and high-ranking figures already so they seem to be in it for largely ideological reasons - they want to exclude Muggle-borns (and sometimes werewolves, half-giants, etc) from the magical world. While this may seem to be unjust discrimination, is the 'good' side really much better? Rather than using magic to help muggles, they keep them from having any knowledge of it - this is essentially a war between one elitist side and one slightly less elitist side.
*** With regard to the werewolves and half-giants, the 'good' side isn't a lot better either. Dumbledore is implied to be astonishingly progressive to have let Lupin and Hagrid go to Hogwarts and then given them jobs afterwards. Lupin makes it pretty clear that anti-werewolf discrimination is the norm, and Sirius tells us in Book 5 that the Ministry of Magic (this part under Umbridge, admittedly) makes explicitly anti-werewolf laws.
*** Also, the 'good guys' routinely punish their criminals with the horrible, far worse place than a normal prison that is Azkaban, or even a FateWorseThanDeath in the Dementor's Kiss.
*** A pretty common fan interpretation that's sprung up recently that Wizarding England (and sometimes Wizarding Europe as a whole) is considered incredibly backwards, insular and prejudiced compared to pretty much every other magical community on the planet. Particular attention will be paid to some of the...weaknesses of the Hogwarts' system.
** A {{Fanon}} theory which is surprisingly plausible and in-character: When she was alive, Myrtle [[SingleGirlSeeksMostPopularGuy had the hugest crush on Tom Riddle]]. Riddle used this to his advantage and got her to serve him. He probably told her lies like "I may hate other Muggle-borns, but you're different" to make her feel special. Thus, his eventual murder of her is not just a random killing, but an act of betrayal. Possibly she had [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Outlived Her Usefulness]]. Under this interpretation, it's possible Olive Hornby was jealous of Myrtle's relationship with Riddle.
** There is a theory that Percy remains loyal to Dumbledore and that the letter he sent Ron was meant to warn him about what the Ministry was up to, but he had had to word it in such a way that it sounded like he was loyal to the Ministry in case they intercepted it. [[FridgeLogic That doesn't explain, though, why he had to be so secretive about it with his family, given that all of them are in the Order]]. It made sense with [[spoiler:Snape, given his true nature as a triple agent and talent with Occlumency]], but Pecy had no such training or motive.
** Some people view Percy's actions much more sympathetically. Two of his younger siblings and his girlfriend were put in danger under Dumbledore's watch and he didn't know Harry on a personal level. Maybe he was only being promoted as a way to gain information or somehow weaken The Order. Simularly, those same people view Percy as the black sheep of the family, rather than Ron. Percy is smart and becomes a Prefect, but does not have the charisma his brothers and sister possess. He's always mentioned to be doing something school related, even when it's the summer. He rarely interacts with his younger brothers or sister, and doesn't seem to interact much with his older brothers, either.
*** He also seems a bit out of place in Gryffindor, seeming more suited to a Ravenclaw-type attitude towards studies and rules, which just further reinforces how out of place he probably feels in his own home. You can definitely view Percy as someone who got fed up with being the outsider in his own family, and decided to do his own thing. Percy, being very ambitious (and, incidentally, pure-blood, right?), could also have been at home in Slytherin. It's possible the Sorting Hat put him in Gryffindor to lessen how much he is the black sheep of the family. The Hat reads your thoughts. It could have heard Percy desperately wanting to fit in with his family and put him in Gryffindor as a result of that. It's been stated (though possibly not in Canon) that the Sorting Hat will take someone who has the qualities of more than one House, and stick them in the one that currently has fewer people in it, to keep the Houses even population-wise. Considering that Percy Weasley would been pretty far down on the roll call (if not the last person called), it's possible he was put in Gryffindor because they were one person short.
** And then there's Luna Lovegood. Everyone agrees that she's a {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, and you [[UnpopularPopularCharacter never meet a fan who dislikes her]], but where do her strange beliefs and demeanor come from? Is she a normal girl who just happens to be a bit different? Is she a DumbBlonde? Is she mentally ill or disabled? You decide! Among those who think she's either mentally ill or disabled, opinions vary when it comes to just what she has. Most common belief seems to be that she has autism and perhaps also ADD, but some have actually made a case for schizophrenia or manic depression. She could even be suffering from the same type of emotional damage as the main character from ''Literature/ThePerksOfBeingAWallflower''.
** Cho Chang often gets a very bad rap in fandom, often described as a petty whiner who betrayed Harry. However, the explanation given in the book is that she's simply a fifteen year old girl mourning for her boyfriend who feels conflicted about dating another person so soon after his death. Similarly, her behaviour after Dumbledore's Army is exposed could be more seen as loyalty to her best friend rather than a betrayal of Harry, and she is more than willing to fight along side the resistance and in the Battle of Hogwarts in her final year.
** Hogwarts itself; AcademyofAdventure and bastion of higher learning for the magically inclined or AssimilationAcademy wherein 11-year-olds are forced into the roles they will be stuck with for the rest of their lives through the decisions of a talking hat?
** The masquerade. Is it really a shield set up to protect them from things like the Witch hunts of the past and being constantly badgered by Muggle interference or a shield set up to protect the massively corrupt Ministry of Magic that tortures criminals, is horribly racist, is fascist with its ideas on ''blood purity'' and how they treat Muggles, has no substantial health and safety laws whatsoever and probably realizes that the technology (and thus the Quality of Life) of the Muggle world has equalled/surpassed magic in almost every area and as such fears the erosion of their power a mass exodus of Wizards trying to seek a better life would cause?

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