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- Likewise, abused within The Elder Scrolls series, Bioshock, and any other game where you can summon a ball of fire from nothing.
Separate this out into an example for each game.
- Probably justified, as an explicit power of alchemy is the ability to ignore conservation of energy. He could very well just have ripped oxygen molecules apart and let them join back together.
- In fact, nitrogen in the air can and will burn if it gets hot enough, and increasing the concentration of oxygen reduces the required temperature - indeed, the burning of nitrogen in a lightning strike used to play a vital role in the nitrogen cycle (before manmade nitrates).
- Look, we can test this. Just get an oxygen tank, and start spraying oxygen into the room, and then create a spark.
- That wasn't how it worked in the manga. There he just split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen and used the spark to make them combust again. Hell, an antagonist thought he couldn't use fire if he was wet and flooded the room he was in, not realizing that all they had done was give him fuel, though he needed a lighter to make the spark for the actual combustion to take place.
- Then where the hell did he get all that water? And if he was the source of the energy, why doesn't he just heat the air directly!
- Water vapour in the air, I believe, though it was rather fudged over. He can't heat the air directly because Alchemy Does Not Work That Way. Something has to be deconstructed.
Painful Thread Mode and Conversation In The Main Page. Left the actual example-bit in, though.
- In the manga, he just split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen and used the spark to make them combust again. An antagonist thought he couldn't use fire if he was wet and flooded the room he was in, not realizing that all they had done was give him fuel, though he needed a lighter to make the spark for the actual combustion to take place. This has the "Ten Thousand Percent Humidity" problems as well as hydrogen not burning that hot.
- Of course, given the enormous quantity of energy required to split water molecules in the first place, this makes you wonder why he doesn't just channel that energy directly into his target's body.
- He doesn't just channel the energy into his target's body, because, as Scar has shown us when he murders alchemists, you need to be touching someone to channel energy through them. For the record, according to the manga, Roy changes the density of oxygen to produce fire. The explanation is fairly scientifically unsound, but look! Fire!
- In the manga, he just split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen and used the spark to make them combust again. An antagonist thought he couldn't use fire if he was wet and flooded the room he was in, not realizing that all they had done was give him fuel, though he needed a lighter to make the spark for the actual combustion to take place. This has the "Ten Thousand Percent Humidity" problems as well as hydrogen not burning that hot.
Okay, which manga explanation's right — splitting water molecules, or changing the density of oxygen?
- Narvi: Splitting of water molecules, obviously.
Citizen: The damned Trope Co description makes my head hurt. Guh. I had a hard time deciding what the trope was underneath all that excess stupidity, but I tried.
Earnest: Don't let annoyance cloud your thoughts, you missed several important wikiwords in the original article.
That Other 1 Dude: Goddammit Citizen, the guy that freaking launched this article made that write-up, we can keep a little link to the page.
Monkey Spirit: I need help uploading an image for the page. Could someone help? You can find the old image here, it's the second one, where he's shown making the ice pillars: http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Frost_Psynergy_series
