This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
The Bad Wolf: I had two mentions (for The Schizophrenia Conspiracy and "L" Is for "Dyslexia") before the crash, since it's called "A Tally for the Egocentric" not "A Tally for the Humble" I'm going to go ahead and put my self back in.
Seth: The image is funny, but pages like these dont need images (Let alone image macro's)
Hasher Britarse That's cos we're all so clever that we can 'paint a picture' in way less than a thousand words!
Seth: Plus you would clearly use Yoda not Spock for a made of win image macro.
Fast Eddie: The image under discussion
◊, to preserve the funny..
Seth: Just trample all over me by posting the best image ever why don't you.
Bluetooth The Pirate: Made a stamp:
Paste this code: [[MadeOfWin http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Win.png]] For best results apply to discussion page with a note.
Janitor: Jeepers! That image is huge! Something more icon-sized, perhaps ?
BT The P: Sorry, my enormous monitor sometimes affects my sense of scale. <snrk>
Shay Guy: What the hell happened to this page?! I was just about to nominate DA for finally writing the long-overdue Akira page.
Earnest: The History function isn't showing what happened, so I don't know if it can be copied back. Blah. At least the Made OF Win Archive is still there... but still, this sucks.
Ununnilium: Crap. This seems to be happening increasingly lately. >>;
Robert Bingham: Tell me about it. Something similar happened with Luke, I Am Your Father when one of my edits resulted in an error. Could be the same thing happened here.
Shay Guy: What the hell happened to this page?! I was just about to nominate DA for finally writing the long-overdue Akira page.
Earnest: The History function isn't showing what happened, so I don't know if it can be copied back. Blah. At least the Made OF Win Archive is still there... but still, this sucks.
Ununnilium: Crap. This seems to be happening increasingly lately. >>;
Robert Bingham: Tell me about it. Something similar happened with Luke I Am Your Father when one of my edits resulted in an error. Could be the same thing happened here.
Bob: I think it has happened again...
Bob: Nevermind that, I guess it just didn't load properly.
(moved this from beneath the nomination for Vampire Buddha's splitting Nightmare Fuel into various sub-sections)
Robert: I disagree, predictably. Splitting was necessary, but it was split in the wrong way, without adequate discussion. Nor is putting that split on this page appropriate when anyone is objecting to it.
Cassius335: How about we keep that little argument on the discussion page?
Robert: That's where it belongs, and the reason why this page shouldn't have been edited before the disagreement was settled. I don't want to delete your entries from this page without permission, and my replies have to be with the entries, but if you're agreed these four edits shouldn't be here, you can delete all four.
Robert: Restoring comments - notice I said 'four edits', not 'three'. Cassius, you cannot delete my objections and leave your original claim untouched. It's either this whole discussion that's deleted, or nothing, preferably the whole discussion. When the nightmare fuel debate is resolved, once everyone's had a fair chance to have their say, then it'll be the time for awarding points on this page, not before.
Ununnilium: Anybody can award points any way they want, whenever they want, no matter what conflicts are going on elsewhere. No ifs, ands, or buts; TV Tropes is not Serious Business. `.`v
MisterSix: I agree with Ununn - this page is about celebrating things that you think are great, irrespective of what everyone else thinks.
Cassius335: Thank you, guys. Hope no-one minds if I stick this at the bottom.
Later: We don't need two copies of this, Mister Six.
Robert: Putting stuff here only you like is fine; putting stuff here scant minutes after you've just seen someone else say it's not a good idea is simply rude, as well as presumptuous - Vampire Buddha's split may yet be reversed.
If, hypothetically, I were to award points to everyone who created pages with names that Cassius had objected to, that would clearly be a vindictive personal attack, contrary to the spirit of this page - and something I'd never do. As far as I'm concerned, this incident is no different except in scale. To all appearances, Cassius awarded points because I'd objected to the edit, which is simple rudeness.
It may, of course, have been simple thoughtlessness, but common courtesy means striving to avoid even the accidental appearance of rudeness.
Cassius, will you please reconsider, and delete your comment? The debate on the nightmare fuel discussion page will be resolved soon enough, a few days at most. Surely you can wait that long, and either restore your comment or let it vanish along with Vampire Buddha's well-intentioned split.
Mister Six: "putting stuff here scant minutes after you've just seen someone else say it's not a good idea is simply rude, as well as presumptuous" — I don't know whether you're being ironic or something, but I'll tell you what I think is rude and presumptuous: arriving on a website, immediately acting like you own the place, getting affronted when your opinon is treated as such (rather than, say, the word of God) and proceeding to bring down the one unequivocally positive page on this wiki with needless bickering, posturing and general pompousness.
If the guy wants to give Vampire Buddha a Made Of Win then he can do that. If you disagree then that's unfortunate, but it's certainly no reason to go demanding that people take down their opinions, nor is it a reason to rain on Vampire Buddha's parade. You are coming across as unpleasant and arrogant, and I'm genuinely astonished that you haven't backed down yet. I honestly think it would be in your best interests (and everyone else's) for you to look around the site, see that this place is for having fun and adapt your temperament to suit. Otherwise, you would be better off staying on The Other Wiki.
As for Cassius's "vindictiveness" - if I ran over every member of your family it would no doubt be intentional. But accidentally backing over your dog doesn't make me a mass murderer.
Ununnilium: "it's certainly no reason to go demanding that people take down their opinions" — Exactly. He liked it, he put on here that he liked it. You can't say he should not like it just because not everybody likes it.
Robert: I'm not from Wikipedia (never once contributed to it) and, before a recent absence, had been on this site for nearly a year. I do know how this site works perfectly well.
However, I have spent 15 years in the trenches of Usenet (oh the flame wars I have seen), which does require a pretty robust argument style at times, more so than here. I'll try and tone it down a notch.
If Cassius can state his opinion here, I can state mine - equal treatment for us both. It would be better for the site if neither of us did - this is not the place for arguments about the merits of a particular edit - but both of us doing that here is still better than either one of us alone.
To have fun here, we've all got to take reasonable care not to give offence - which certainly includes no ad hominem attacks.
Accidentally backing over my dog (the well-intentioned split of Nightmare fuel) can be an accident, but when you've been told you've done that, you (or your friend) doesn't then go down the pub and boast about what a good driver you are (saying its such a godo split its worth an unusual 3 points).
Mister Six: Stating your opinion is one thing. Asking someone else to retract theirs is another. And either way, the Made Of Win page isn't the forum for it. And I think you are reading far too much into Cassius's nomination - he put that up there immediately after your complaint, but before it hard turned into a full-on argument. I really do think you are overstating how much people care about your (or anyone else's) opinions. At most, it looks to me like he did it to give Vampire Buddha a bit of a confidence boost after VB's hard work was immediately met with complaints. But whatever. Let's all agree to stop treating this place so seriously and move on.
Robert: I don't agree with everything you say, naturally, but I do agree Made Of Win is not the right place for this (the root of my original objection), so I'll let it drop. I won't award any Made Of Win points to anyone if Nightmare Fuel gets split the way I suggested, despite the hard work that would involve -Even I wouldn't trust myself to do so fairly - and I will restrain myself from commenting if anyone appears to be using this page in an argument elsewhere. And that's my last word - I know my weaknesses too well to risk reading this page for the next few weeks.
LooneyToons: Moved the following from off The Catalogue, where it so didn't belong:
- Mister Six: Hi Cassius, please stop deleting the talk with Robert from the Made Of Win Discussion page. It think it would be useful for him to understand the purpose of that page.
Mister Six: That must have been a glitch in the system, because I'm sure I wrote it on Cassius's discussion page. :| Also, I put it on there because I thought he'd deleted it rather than moving it to the bottom of the page. I'm a dummy, I know...
Citizen: How about this? =P
Ununnilium: Nah, not direct enough. Also, dangit, it's better without a pic! u.u
Kizor: Restored the discussion page from cache following the Crash of '08.
Donomni: Wow, Cassius, really? It's not like we brought the whole page over word-for-word...
Fast Eddie: pulling natter: Ninjacrat: It it necessary that every time one of us (kind, virtuous, caring, kitten-loving) wants to weigh into an agrument about content, we do so by bagging on Wikipedia (evil, callous, kitten-kicking, possibly gay)? It's getting very No Homers Club around here.
Donomni: Considering said Homers try to remove our fun from here and replace it with notability, I think none of us mind too much. <_<
Ninjacrat: TV Tropes is not a bastion of vitrue. Wikipedia is not a fortress of evil. They are not at war with one another. Seriously, to see this tribal behaviour at all is awful, but to see it get Made of Wins is baffling.
[Edit: Oh look, some anonymous internet genius edited my post in order to score points in their retarded internet war. Interesting they managed to spoof the wiki into making it look like Fast Eddie did it, though.]
- Fast Eddie: No that wasn't spoofed. That was me. The only one battling here is you, if you'll notice. If anyone here was at war with wikipedia, I'm not sure wikipedia would notice.
Duckluck: Yeah well, you know who would say something like that? A wikipedian! Come on guys, who's up for a lynching?
Ninjacrat: Fast Eddie! You must be new here. A few things. Firstly: replies go at the bottom of the thread in chronological order, lest chaos and confusion result. Secondly: editing a guy's posts is extremely bad manners, one of the worst things you can do. Don't do it. The owners of the wiki will tell you off.
To the substance of your reply: of course Wikipedia don't notice. I strongly suspect (but can't prove) that they're extremenly grateful for TV Tropes (and anything else that draws the 'on Stargate episode 138...' / 'Hey, let's talk about me!' types away from their wiki). The sheer disparity of the thing: TV Tropes raging against the Evil Wikipedia Machine, and Wikipedia almost unaware we exist, is what makes the vendetta so hilarious/awful.
The evils of Wikipedia have become a shibboleth, something invoked when rallying the tribe to your cause. It's dumb in a way that only constructing a community around shared animosity toward the 'evil other' can be. It's middle school shit. It's childish.
Anyway, if you just hang around a bit longer, I'm sure you'll learn the ropes. Enjoy your stay!
Ninjacrat: Fast Eddie! Man! You just deleted the entire conversation! That's even worse that editing a guy's posts! I hate to say it, but I'm gonna have to email the boss of the wiki about your behaviour. Ed... Ed something... shit, I'll have to look it up.
Fast Eddie: See, this is the place where you have discussions. Or you could try the forums.
Ninjacrat: Don't ever do that stupid shit again, Eddie. You of all people should have known better.
Fast Eddie: If you can't take a joke, maybe you should tip off. It's a big Internet, there's lots of other things to do.
Ninjacrat: Christ, I'm not angry with you. I'd just dismayed at the nerd tribal bullshit going on (in the abstract) and that you're using your position to encourage it (in the specific). From the tone of your posts it seem like you figure I'm trying to pick a fight with you, or that I'm affiliated with Wikipedia. Neither of those things could be further from the truth.
I'm teasing you. Because you're acting like a kid.
Fast Eddie: Okay, cool. I made a joke with the citation thing. That got conflated with the fact that I do admin-y things. Joke fell flat. Won't be the last time that happens. The "too-tribal" issue could make for an interesting discussion. Maybe you should kick it off in the forums.
Silent Hunter: Archived about half of this, it was getting too large.
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: I was the one who added the Take That! at True Art Is Incomprehensible to No Country For Old Men's entry in Epic Fail. (True Art Is Incomprehensible is one of my pet peeves.) Unfortunately, I forgot to collect the point before that nomination got archived. I'm doing so now, but will revert if asked.
Haven: Sorry about that Cassius, but that's Tempting Fate for you...
Cassius335: Haven, I'm a Mon fanboy. Fate runs from me screaming.
fleb: (..On SAMAS's latest edit) Oh, snap.
Cassius335: You know, last time I edited what someone said, I got bollocked for it by Looney Toons. I would therefore ask SAMAS not to do it to mine.
Haven: made of wordle
Insanity Prelude: Gotta give a Made Of Win to Windows Media Player for bringing up this song as I was reading the section on real life in Immortality Immorality.
L: This seems to be stretching the definition of "wiki page edits" a little bit further than breaking point.
Insanity Prelude: True. In retrospect that may have been better off on the discussion page.
Mr Etaoin Shrdlu: Moved it.
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Cassius335: Someone seems to have deleted Freezair's last comment. Anyone know why?
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Dark Sasami: Please go read Incredibly Lame Pun. It isn't what you think it is. This is not your fault.
Haven: As a matter of fact I have read that page. I just acknowledged that joke's status, so I'm reasonably certain that counts. More to the point, the page started out as a place to pothole puns (because Incredibly Lazy Pun was being misapplied) and then got expanded into a trope, in a somewhat forced manner in my opinion; we shouldn't lose the reason we made that page in the first place.
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Niel Jacoby: 4 MOWs to everyone 3 MOWs under this, with the MOWs to the people who gave the MOWs to the people who did the dick jokes. 8 MOWs to you if give this a MOW. I wonder if someone's doing this with Made of Lose.
Schizo Technician: Stop, stop. Things just got silly again. I think we should disregard this one.
Niel Jacoby: Not fucking happening! 16 MOWs to whoever MOWs this
Schizo Technician: The points may mean nothing, but it is considered highly impolite to award oneself points nonetheless!
Shadow Of The Sun: *facepalms* I grant myself - and every made of win that occurs this way, an automatic made of lose. *puts on his lose-bot*
Real Slim Shadowen: Hey, I didn't take those ridiculous point totals below, or these ones either. I'm a-keepin' my 2.5 points, thank you.
Shale: If that was a reference to "I'm a-keepin' my new lips!", I...well, no, no more MOW points, but I applaud you nonetheless.
Niel Jacoby: Two MOWs each to the people 4 MOWs under this, the one with the MOWs for the people doing the dick jokes. You're welcome. Also, 4 MOWs to whoever gives this a MOW first.
Haven: ...why do I say anything ever.
Niel Jacoby: Because you're incredibly foolish?
L: I think I'll give this post two Made Of Wins, two Made Of Explodiums, and one Made of All-Natural Leather with Win Lining and Rubber Sole.
beemoh: Erm, guys, The Points Mean Nothing.
Niel Jacoby: They may mean nothing, but they sure are fun. Two Made of Shiny points for this as well.
Mr Death: Just have to say, it sorta bugs me that it seems some people watch this page just to see what we think is funny so they can go and edit it out or put it on the Cut List.
