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07:13:21 PM Aug 28th 2013
I wonder if there could be a Four-Temperament Ensemble for the classes on either side.
03:34:30 PM May 30th 2013
Under Alignment Based Ending, it mentions that canon materials refer to the Dark side ending of at least the Inquisitor. Can someone tell me which materials those are?
03:40:55 PM May 30th 2013
Nevermind, found it, its Star Wars: The Old Republic: Annihilation.
07:38:11 AM Apr 29th 2013
I am unable to edit the page to fix various typos. When I try it just takes me to an empty page called video games with nothing on it. And it's locked.
08:33:12 AM Apr 29th 2013
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I'm not getting that, and I haven't heard of something like it before. Hm, some things to try. Can you edit other pages okay, e.g. the Wiki Sandbox? Does it work better if you log out, delete cookies, and log back in (although some people find that their first edit after logging in again doesn't work)?

If yes to the first and no to the second, that's really strange and I'd recommend making a new thread about it in Bug Reports, or possibly Ask The Tropers. If no to the first and no to the second, it might be to do with this known (and hopefully fixed) editing issue — try posting there. If yes to the second, well, it remains very strange but at least it's fine now.
03:08:43 AM May 3rd 2013
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All I'm doing is deleting a single letter, it doesn't work, and when I go back to the page this appears at the top:

This entry is checked out until 03:27 Pacific Daylight Time by goldenalex.

After further testing, it's that way with all my edits.
12:16:06 PM Feb 18th 2012
edited by legato
Does anyone know where the tropes for Shae Vizla are in the characters section? Cant seem to find it
09:29:44 AM Jan 9th 2012

I went to the Imperial fleet, and found no neutral vendor. I found the place where he/she should be standing (right between the Light Side and the Dark Side vendors, in fact) and the otherwise empty kiosk with two assistants in officer uniforms.
08:32:04 PM Jan 17th 2012
Unfortunately, this is one of those "we'll get to it eventually" things. They have unambiguously said they'll implement it, just nothing beyond that.
11:35:02 PM Jan 7th 2012
Any particular reason this was moved to Fountain of Expies?:

It's not like the Grey Warden's are a widely copied/imitated/homaged/parodied group in fiction (yet). It goes better under Expy.
04:41:45 AM Jan 8th 2012
What Expy? It's a clear Shout-Out.
08:31:02 PM Jan 17th 2012
Hrmm... true. There's not really much else beyond the main idea. I suppose it should be simply moved to Shout Out then. Although it seems like the Fountain of Expies entry here could do with a good editing, since most examples are simply expies.
05:34:33 AM Nov 30th 2011
edited by Iskandar
Having played the beta, might I suggest that the character sheet be revised into faction subcategories (as was done with Warcraft)? Republic/Empire/Independent, perhaps, with separate folders for Jedi and Sith, officers, and companions in each. Those lists are going to expand massively upon release, given the sheer number of unique, plot-significant non-player characters in the game (easily over two hundred), and they're already getting a bit crowded by characters who don't even appear in-game. Just a suggestion.
08:46:02 PM Oct 27th 2011
Why do people insist that there's gray and gray morality in this game? It's clearly The Good, the Bad, and the Evil, just go to the official forum and you'll have about a dozen people explaining to you that being a Light Side Sith still makes you a villain, just an Anti-Villain rather than a Complete Monster.
12:59:36 AM Oct 28th 2011
edited by RedViking
Then I should have been clearer and I definitely need to rephrase my reasoning.

The Good, the Bad, and the Evil is when the bad guys split into different groups of defined morality and the Anti-Villain faction teams up with the good guys to take out the Complete Monster faction. That's either a lot of speculation for a game that's not out yet or knowledge derived from playing the beta. Either way, that's something that shouldn't be on this page.
05:22:52 AM Oct 28th 2011
Seems to be some Trope Decay on The Good, the Bad, and the Evil, since most of the examples don't really fit. Plus Gray and Gray Morality is equally speculative, considering it's based entirely on the beta.
09:41:03 AM Oct 28th 2011
Not necessarily. We know for a fact that morality isn't tied to faction and that you can play as a Dark-sided Jedi and a Light-sided Sith. That was a piece of information that was already announced and that's most likely why the Gray and Gray Morality entry hasn't been deleted.
09:14:41 AM Nov 2nd 2011
From what I've heard, Light Sided Sith are still on the "bad side", and Dark Sided jedi are more anti-HEROES than villains. I think that'd actually count as Morality Kitchen Sink, specifically of the "White and Grey vs Grey and Black" variant that's fairly popular.
08:59:19 AM Nov 27th 2011
Alright, after playing the beta a bit, I'd think it's more of a true morality kitchen sink with Player Characters, and the "White and Grey vs Gray and Black" variety with the NP Cs, though I do believe there are exceptions on both sides. Would it be alright now to add the Morality Kitchen Sink trope back onto the page?
06:10:49 AM Dec 16th 2011
I haven't played the game, but I have friends who have. When they told me about the morality system, I said "So, in Mass Effect terms, the Republic goes from Paragon to Renegade, while the Empire goes from Renegade to Saren". They told me that's a pretty good analogy.
07:37:27 AM Apr 29th 2013
I would disagree with the above statement. Dark sided players from either faction can be just as brutally vicious as each other. For example, a Jedi can threaten to a murder a random nearby child in order to grab some supplies from a refugee, or execute people for failure. Sith can do much the same thing. The same goes true for light side, both Sith and Jedi can be paragons of virtue.
06:17:19 PM Sep 24th 2011
Is it okay if we put a moratorium on posting plot info from beta leaks on these pages?
11:51:48 AM Oct 14th 2011
Definately. If for no other reason than to prevent legal action against the site.

On a different note, this is more thinking ahead, but would it be a good idea to split the main page into different sections for each class's story?
04:15:47 PM Oct 14th 2011
Although a page split may be eventually necessary considering it's a BioWare game, the game has 8 different classes, which means 8 different subpages not including the usual Character pages, WMG, etc... If any split would occur, it would be far easier to just split it down via Republic and Sith lines and have 4 folders on each page or something along those lines. Either that or just keep the main page and put everything into 8 different folders. Then again, that's the organizational part of me that's talking.
02:28:16 PM Nov 19th 2011
So... Are we lifting the ban now that NDA is also lifted?
07:45:41 PM Nov 20th 2011
I guess so, but maybe we should refrain from putting major plot spoilers (such as major character deaths, Wham Episodes, etc.) just to be polite?
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