Someone's written a big essay under 'The Extremist was Right' about the Nolan chart and the Courier being a right-wing Libertarian. Not only does it mischaracterise the factions in the game (there's no evidence that the Legion subscribes to 'Conservative economic policy' or that it's successful, presumably they don't subscribe to Capitalism at all), but it's a blatant attempt to advertise American Libertarianism.
Can this be deleted?
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Yeah, I just checked and its kind of ridiculous. Unless the person who wrote it wants to come in and offer a defense I say snip it.
Yeah, cut that. It's shoehorning because the trope is supposed to be about the extremist, In-Universe and intentionally being acknowledged as being right in the end. Not "enough brain backflips and I can justify their behavior."
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
Hey, Do We Have This One? This is what Steam records as the percentage of players who have reached a given ending;
No Gods, No Masters - Independent - 11.0%
Eureka! - New California Republic - 6.7%
All or Nothing - Mr. House - 4.9%
Veni, Vidi, Vici - Caesar's Legion - 3.2%
This is just based on achievements on Steam(and doesn't count those play offline or who use the console - and there's no way to determine which players got multiple endings) but it appears that Independence is the most popular ending.
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Is the perk Lessons Learned from Lonesome Road a Game Breaker? I'm mean you gain levels like crazy due to the nature of the perk, but they wind up empty none the less. You can perfect a ton of skills with high intelligence and a variety of other perk.
New Vegas is survival horror? Along with Co D and Uncharted?
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IMO, some parts are Survival Horror like the Dead Money DLC or in some dungeons. In don't know how Co D and Uncharted can be Survival Horror but only on certain levels.
You Wouldn't Like Me When I'm Bored
Can we have Fallout New Vegas redirect to Fallout: New Vegas? It's a little weird seeing a "main" red link when there are almost a dozen subpages.
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Good point, I was about to suggest it myself. You should send PM for administration to unlock the page,
It would be nice to have the "main" link in place, though. Without it, it's much more annoying to get back to, well, the main page... from the subpages.
Under the "Dead Money" section, there's an error. Dog/God is not a Nightkin, he's a Super Mutant.
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Nightkin are Super Mutants they are just a specific version of Super Mutants.
Creepers: They're like raptors except they explode.
Why are all the tropes that don't start with "A" missing? I don't see a link to pages B-Z anywhere.
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I checked the History and someone accidentally deleted 182,000 lines when they updated "Awesome Yet Practical" I'll fix it now.
Say, how many of us here prefer to play The Courier as a woman? I do because I kinda like to imagine Courier getting a crush on Boone.
Anyone else here actually live in the Vegas area? It's been weird, discovering that I've actually been to some of these places.
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Not quite, but seeing Boulder City bombed was a bit weird. Though honestly, there wasn't much there to begin with.
I live in Vegas. It IS pretty weird. Searchlight used to be a regular stop on some trips, so it's sort of creepy to see it radioactive and full of ghouls.
I changed the Asshole Victim example on the main page. Look, talking to people in Novac about Carla tells you that she loathed living in Novac and took it out on everyone around her. Yeah, she sounded that she could be pretty unpleasant to be around. But she was not a 'whiny possessive bitch' who 'single handily destroyed Boone's friendship with Manny' because she was selfish.
Firstly, she only sounds that bad from Manny, who is as biased as all hell. Manny is a bit of an asshole, so of course he'd loathe the woman who was 'taking away' his best friend ('bros before hoes' and all that nonense). He's actually happy she vanished, even though it's obvious that it's destroyed Boone and any decent friend would be sad for him.
Secondly, Manny ruined his friendship with Boone all by himself. Boone knew Manny was happy that Carla was gone, and considering the circumstances of her disappearance, how in the world could anyone expect Boone to accept that?
Seriously, Manny is a flawed man who doesn't realise how he's responsible for his friendship falling apart by being an insensitive jerk. It's pretty obvious. So can we skip the 'evil bitch girlfriend' exaggeration please?
I've been wondering if Boone is an example of Oblivious to Love or... something along those lines? It seems like Everyone Can See It when it comes to how Manny feels about him, and how jealous Manny was of his wife. Or maybe Boone did know, but he's just The Stoic incarnate and it's none of the PC's business. Since nothing is ever explicitly said, I'm hesitant to add the trope on Boone's character sheet without discussion! (Maybe it's more Alternate Character Interpretation or something...)
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Probably because Boone isn't gay and doesn't even want to entertain the possibility.
Personally, it never seemed to me that Manny liked Boone. It seemed to me that he took the 'bros before hoes' mentality way too far and hated a woman just because he couldn't be buddies with Boone like he used to.
And besides, even if Manny does like him and Boone does know, Boone sure as hell isn't going to do anything about it now. If you ask Boone about Manny, he makes it damn clear about why they're not friends anymore.
This page is really, really big. I'm thinking that we should separate the tropes from the main game and the various DLC, or make separate trope pages, similar to Mass Effect 2.
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Is it bad that when I first arrived at Nipton, I just took a look at the Caeser's Legion sign, made a mental note to come back and slaughter any member of that faction later on (the Legion's on my list of "Factions I don't like"), and, even when coming back and slaughtering the Legionnaires, didn't once notice any of the horrific implications of the town, nor catch on about the whole lottery deal until I read Nipton's entry in the High Octane Nightmare Fuel page?
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It's fine, I think. When I went through Nipton the first time, I missed Boxcars entirely since I didn't want to stay in the town any longer than I had to. I think it's supposed to be a slightly delayed thing.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage
Just noticed something hilarious.
The NCR mean well, but are lousy traders. The NCR dollar is the worst currency in the Mojave, with two bottle caps equalling five NCR dollars.
The Legion is full of hardcore assholes, but they know how to run a government efficiently. Legion currency is the strongest in the Mojave: a single Legion gold coin is worth 100 bottle caps.
House will take anybody's money, but has to have everything HIS way: what he wants, when he wants, how he wants. Your other choice: stay out of New Vegas... and maybe starve to death.
In other words, Conservatives are rich Nazis, liberals are poor hippies, statists are crazy shut-ins, and anarchists are player characters!
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To be fair to the NCR, we are explicitly told their currency's strength took a big hit sometime in the last four decades (it was backed by gold... and then the Brotherhood went and irradiated the NCR's gold reserve).
Question for the veteran Fallout fans out there with regards to this entry:
•Saved From Development Hell: Caesar's Legion was going to be part of the stillborn Van Buren game following Fallout 2. Some NP Cs from Van Buren were also recycled and given slightly different roles (Alice Mc Lafferty and Arcade Gannon for example). The setting of Old World Blues, the Big Empty, came from the original design concepts of Van Buren's opening location, the Tibbets prison facility.
Now maybe it's because I only skimmed the leaked Tibbets Van Buren design documents, but Old World Blues seems much more like the Enviromental Protection Agency that was cut from Fallout 2. The design docs was relased in one of the old Fallout Bibles (#6 now that I checked Vault, the in the post-Fallout 2/Tactics pre-Van Buren.
Quick checking that document reveals a talking toaster in EPA (cheerful and OCD about toast instead of homicadal) and a head of science hologram that can only talk in binary, which high science/intellegance charcters can read. Sounds just like 8. Also refernace to the "Big Silence/Great Static," one of which, IIRC was a term used the Old World Blues' opening.
What I'm basically asking is, is the Big Empty=Tibbet Word of God or assumption?
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The Courier was shot twice in the head, but in the opening cutscene all indications point to Benny only having shot him once. I've seen several entries on this page and elsewhere that assume Benny shot the Courier twice, but it seems just as likely that the Courier was shot only once by Benny, and once at an earlier point, possibly by Ulysses or someone else.
Is there anything in the game that definitively indicates whether Benny shot him once or twice?
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Everyone in the game says they see two bullet wounds. I mean, would you remember the second shot? The Courier was knocked out by the first bullet.
I realize two bullet wounds are consistently mentioned. It's just that, by all indications, Benny only shot him once, implying that the other bullet wound was inflicted earlier. The explanation that Ulysses shot him springs to mind, but that's just speculation. What I'm asking is whether there's anything that definitively states in the game whether both bullet wounds came from Benny or not.
There's a Golden Ending possible for the NCR path, much less ambiguously so than the "Wild Card" path: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEX-d0yuxGk
So Goodsprings getting suffocated by taxes and the world back on a steady path matching the one that lead to the Great War in the first place is golden? Only works if you don't believe House's plans for the future. Of course, that's a fair belief; he could be lying, he could be telling the truth and end up as the exact tyrant he says he won't be, or his plans for getting humanity to colonize other planets may just simply not work.
The only ambiguity comes from the fact that there is no clear-cut right and wrong between the NCR, House and Independent. It's impossible to get any of those endings without screwing someone over, you just screw over less than if you side with the Legion. Your personal golden ending depends on which of those possibilities convinces you it's the best option (buying into the NCR's governance despite their shadier sides, buying into House's plans despite his ambition and level of control, or deciding that both are full of crap and kicking them all out.)
In terms of least absolute suffering, the NCR path potentially has the fewest people fucked over as a result of your actions. Unless you count a bunch of convicts and a few old people as more of worth than a chivalrous gang (Mr. House path) or the wasteland equivalent of Médecins Sans Frontières (Yes Man path)
Besides, I've written that big mess of spoiler text down to a YMMV subject. Not a lot of games force some degree of compromise on the player, let alone have the player judge what's worth losing. Kind of the ashes of the intention of Van Buren, what with you pretty much are forced to doom 3 major areas in that story.
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And for anyone who thinks the good karma NCR ending is not the best one, consider these facts:
(1) The NCR ending is the only one that gives the BOS an ending that doesn't result in them either getting totally destroyed or being knight templars that attacks travelers on the Long 15 to steal their technology. (2) They offer the only good ending for the FOA. (3) They are the only ones that gives Freeside a chance of making things better. All the other endings for the factions either result in things getting worst due to the street wars against NCR settlers, or things staying the same. (4) The only settlements that will suffer directly under NCR rule is Good Springs. And even so, all that happens is that they have to pay higher taxes.
I don't believe in Utilitarianism, but the NCR offers the best possible outcome that maximizes the benefits and minimizes the suffering of everyone.
Which, yet again, is still Your Mileage May Vary because 1) The Mojave Brotherhood are a bunch of assclowns and using their fate as a metric to determine the goodness-level of an ending on the expectation that everyone will agree "saving Brotherhood = objectively good" is absurd; 2), 3) and 4) This is still irrelevant if you would rather help House start building the infrastructure for his colony ships, in which case off-world settlement away from post-apocalyptia maximizes the benefits and minimizes the suffering of the most people in the long run.
If you think the NCR is better and/or more just, that's fine, there's no problem with that. It is not objectively better. No ending is.
The NCR is best on a straight utilitarian basis, yes, but utilitarianism isn't objectively correct. It all depends on whether you prefer to establish a modern liberal democracy in the Mojave (and make people pay for it), support Mr. House's utopian dreams for a fully 21st-century New Vegas, or just clear out the people who don't play well with others (Fiends, Brotherhood, Powder Gangers, etc.) and run the Mojave on a Don't Make Me Come Over There basis.
Personally, I'd say that the NCR's way is the best for most people (thus the utilitarian argument), but the Wild Card ending is better for people who don't need the NCR's help (Goodsprings, for instance).
I despise hypocrisy, unless of course it is my own.
The problem with the Mr. House ending is that we were not offered any evidence that his dream of building technologically advance utopia is actually going to work. All that the ending tells us is that Mr. House ended up going around taxing (Primm), killing (The Kings), and controlling (Good Springs) everyone.
When compared with the NCR or Yes Man ending, at lease we were actually told that things are going to get better for some of the people in the Mojave.
I'm delicious!
I know Fridge Logic and Fridge Brilliance are YMMV tropes, but should examples be moved if it's in-universe? The Courier using Fridge Logic is the best way to advance down a particular quest line, so shouldn't it be on the main page?
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For what it's worth, I agree with you. I think it's fair to make a distinction between tropes that are lampshaded in universe and fan reactions. Painting every single Fridge Logic entry with the same YMMV brush regardless of context misses an important aspect of it, I think. If there's an official policy statement or whatever, we should adhere to that, of course. But there is a great difference between mileage-varying fan reaction and tropes that are lampshaded in the game itself. Maybe get around this by sticking the Fridge Logic and Fridge Brilliance entries under the umbrella Lampshade Hanging example?
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YMMVs are allowed on the main article if it's used in-universe.
In fact, the red dot won't show up if the text "in-universe" is in the example.
Also, if it's the example I'm thinking of (the fake bodyguard who shoots three times at four off-screen targets) then it should be fine.
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I just wanted to say that screenshot of Boone (under Bad Ass) is positively glorious. :D
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I'm delicious!
I'm glad this page has so many tropes, it's already Troperiffic. But it's getting huge, so should we do an alphabetical split. By the size of the page, we may need 3 or 4 folders. Do we need it?
In the character sheet Veronica is listed as Bi The Way. I haven't run into any evidence of her being attracted to men so gonna change it to Lipstick Lesbian. It's a huge game though and my male PC has got low CHA so I might jsut not have seen it, if there is evidence of her liking men someone post an example when they change it please.
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I'd say Butch Lesbian, really. She's like a female Boone, except she actually has relationships. Sort of.
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I created a character with 1 INT and didn't get the Hulk Speak. Something I did wrong?
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I don't think you did anything wrong. For fun, I switched my character to 1 INT during play. It seemed like the Hulk Speak was an occasional occurrence (much like how Speech/Ladykiller/etc sometimes show up). I am disappoint. I wanted all Hulk Speak, all the time.
Recruiting Arcade with 1 INT was funny, though.
unfortunate, but that is one of the victims of full voice acting. When every line is voiced the written dialog has to be more rigid. The effort, disc-space and money involved in having different dialog recorded, for different inelligence levels, for all or a majority of the game's dialogs is just too big.
Re: recent change to Bad Ass Normal. A "Badass Normal" is a character in a setting with explicitly superhumanly/supernaturally-powered characters with which to compare him or her. Batman fighting Deathclaws equally beside Superman would be a Badass Normal, while Batman fighting Deathclaws alongside the Courier, in a world without Superman or anyone else with superpowers, would simply be a Badass.
I think you could make some kind of argument involving Supermutants, but that's not how the trope entry was worded, so for now I just changed it to Bad Ass rather than Badass Normal.
(It's a toss up in my mind, as Supermutants don't actually have super powers per se. They're big and strong, but they use technology like everyone else and obey the same laws of physics etc.)
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when there are giant hulking monsters that arent out of place in Warhammer 40k running around you are the equivalent to batman while Superman is a supermutant
Okay, maybe my Alternative Character Interpretation entry was ill-advised as well as incorrect, but there is no reason to be smug and sarcastic about it, Mystery Person.
You could have simply said "This is not an example of ACI and, therefore, does not belong here," but you decided to be a cruel and self-righteous ass and point out every minute flaw of my entry. God forbid someone should make a mistake on a site that can be changed by any average schmo that types in Foamy.
I mean, seriously: cool it. It's not the end of the wiki as we know it if someone fucks up.
Could each DLC get its own page to make the main list not so long?