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02:13:18 PM Nov 7th 2013
edited by AceDetective
The Four Temperaments section needs to be modified a bit because those temperament placements aren't exactly accurate. I have done some research and I believe these are the more accurate personalities for those four:

  • John was phlegmatic because of his aggressive yet insecure and sensitive nature along with his tendency to be cynical at sporadic moments. He was especially very witty and had his moments of having his head in the clouds. He himself stated that he had a big mouth and would say things he never really meant and was once considered by a reporter as lazy and disorganized. He also had moments where he would have random anger outbursts, but was able to forgive and forget. He was an impatient, naive, sarcastic, and highly insecure man of extremes who would be openly confident in front of others, then privately be very quiet and unsure of himself. He had a habit of exaggerating his own accomplishments and being vain, arrogant, and a narcissist which all sort of point to his aggressive facade he abides by when out in public as if it's to somehow protect himself. Despite being rather apathetic about the band by the late 1960s, He was classified as one of the agitators in the band since he was rather a total dick to a lot of people (including his family and bandmates) and was willing to leave the band by 1966 after he impulsively made the "Bigger than Jesus" remark. He, along with George, were the rebels of the band who played a big part in trying to sabotage the band (much to Paul's dismay).

  • Ringo is phlegmatic/sanguine because of his friendly, warm and unassuming personality although he has his moments of mood swings and having a bit of an inferiority complex in the band. He is known for being the mediator in the band when creative tensions were to arise between his bandmates. According to Here, There, And Everywhere, a memoir by Beatles engineer Geoff Emerick, Ringo is actually the quiet one in the band who said very little, always seemed to have his guard up, and lacked confidence in his drumming abilities. He was also very uptight and nervous when it came to singing since he was not much of a vocalist. That sort of nervousness and insecurity could also point back to his inferiority complex, along with being the "newbie" in the band. On the flip side, he's as much of a wisecracking joker as John at times, hence the two being the closest of friends compared to the other Beatles. He's the only ex-Beatle who happened to collaborate with all three of his bandmates which lends to the fact that he was the mediator and easygoing realist in the band.

  • Paul is phlegmatic/melancholic because of his upbeat nature yet conservative, domineering, and distrustful personality. According to traveling journalists, Paul and George were known as the pranksters of the band, as well as the most talkative. Although John was considered the leader of the band, Paul was more or less the domineering member who made most of the creative decisions and arguably is the most talented. He has a massive ego so he has numerous moments of being a control freak who wanted things to go his way, and a perfectionist towards a lot of his songs (Maxwell's Silver Hammer anyone?). He especially has moments of being condescending towards his bandmates and being a major show off. He is the only ex-Beatle who hardly ever collaborated with the others (if he did, it's mostly with Ringo) and he has a habit of being thin-skinned or sensitive to criticism as well as having a vicious temper when things don't go his way. Despite his flaws, he was classified as the diplomat or optimist in the band since he really enjoyed being a Beatle and only wished to keep the band going even though he knew that the band's dissolution was inevitable (according to John however, Paul was only keeping the band going for his own sake, not everyone else's).

  • George was melancholic because of his introverted, stubborn and brooding nature along with an indifference towards fame. He was considered by many as calm, gentleman-like, stoic, and came across as very serious and judgmental. He had a fearsome temper, started fights with policemen and photographers during his early years touring with The Beatles, and was a red-blooded man. According to a biography by Bob Spitz, George was very stubborn and despised authority figures. He was the one who argued a lot during numerous sessions like the White Album and Let It Be sessions because he was very opinionated about a lot of things. He almost got into a fist fight with John because he acted rude towards his wife Yoko Ono. Another thing was his nearly life-long resentment towards not only Paul for "ruining him as a guitarist", but his overall experience as a Beatle almost to the point that he possibly suffered from post traumatic stress disorder. The people who knew him clarify that he hardly was the "Quiet Beatle" fans view him as! In fact, some of his friends recalled how he would never stop talking at times. Altogether, he was more of the "Stubborn Beatle" than anything else.

So, what do you guys think?
05:12:34 PM Feb 1st 2013
So I'm looking at the Getting Crap Past the Radar subsection dedicated to the Beatles. It's kind of a mess. There are a few legit examples of The Beatles getting crap past the radar, like the "fish and finger pie" sexual reference in "Penny Lane". There's stuff the band didn't actually intend, like the supposed oral sex meaning to "Please Please Me". There's stuff people are just making up, like "Any Time At All" being about booty calls, and there's stuff that's just plain wrong, like Paul's count-in to "I Saw Her Standing There" ending with "fuck" when it was just an out-of-breath "four". I propose cutting out all the nonsense examples, which would be about 3/4, and restoring the rest to the main page.
06:04:25 PM Feb 1st 2013
Go for it. I think the trope is only supposed to be for either creator-confirmed or plainly obvious cases anyway; everything else is just proof that some people have dirty minds.
06:08:35 AM Feb 2nd 2013
edited by gallium
These are the examples from that page that I think are legit, deleting both things that aren't true and things where they obviously didn't care about the radar and spoke overtly, like "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?":

  • "Penny Lane" contains sexual slang ('fish and finger pie' = fingering) a lot of people missed, and "Drive My Car" is veritable wall-to-wall Double Entendre.
  • Right after the line "Remember to let her under your skin" at about 2:56 of "Hey Jude," John shouts what appears to be "OH!" What he really says is "Got the wrong CHORD!" This is immediately followed by a clearly audible "Fucking hell." To repeat: you can clearly hear John Lennon say "Fucking hell" during the only version of The Beatles' most popular single. Hearing the F-word uncensored in a single in 2010 is rare. The Beatles pulled this off in 1968.
  • At numerous times during "She Loves You," the boys are actually singing, "She'd love to." Listen closely to the middle of the choruses: "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah./She'd love to, yeah, yeah, yeah."
    • This in-joke is revisited at the end of "All You Need is Love," where the lyric is clearly "She loves you, yeah yeah yeah!/She'd love to, yeah yeah yeah!"
  • Many songs are said to be about drugs: "Got To Get You Into My Life", "Happiness is a Warm Gun" ("I need a fix..."). McCartney has claimed that, after "I Want To Hold Your Hand," anything that looked like a drug reference probably was. The exception is, ironically enough, "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds", which is a very long, but (except for the double entendre in "grows so incredibly high") totally non-drug-related, story.
    • "Dr. Robert" was about a real life acquaintance who was a doctor in both senses of the word at once.
  • At the end of "Norwegian Wood", "So, I lit a fire/Isn't it good, Norwegian wood", is a reference to the singer burning the girl's house down.
  • The word, "Tit" sung as a refrain of "Girl".
  • "All Together Now." Quite possibly the only children's song that talks about sex... but not explicitly.
    One, two, three, four
    Can I have a little more?
    Five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, I love you.
    A, B, C, D
    Can I bring my friend to tea?
    E, F, G, H, I, J, I love you.
    Black, white, green, red
    Can I take my friend to bed?
    Pink, brown, yellow, orange and blue, I love you.
  • "Don't Let Me Down." Real subtle.
    And for the first time that she really done me
    Ooh she done me
    She done me good
    I guess nobody ever really done me
    Oh she done me
    She done me good
  • Penis jokes in "With a Little Help From My Friends:"
    What do you see when you turn out the light?
    I can't tell you but I know it's mine.

03:07:38 PM Feb 16th 2012
While Fade Outs don't normally merit a mention, Hey Jude effectively parodied the concept by extending it over several minutes... although I haven't a clue of where best that could be squeezed into the main article...
03:17:52 PM Feb 16th 2012
Maybe it belongs in the Trivia section?
12:58:11 AM Dec 1st 2011
ĽAnd Starring: Billy Preston's work on keyboards with the band during the Get Back sessions earned him a special credit; the "Get Back"/"Don't Let Me Down" single was attributed to "The Beatles with Billy Preston". This was the only time the band shared billing with another artist.

What about Tony Sheridan?
05:03:31 PM Feb 1st 2013
That wasn't The Beatles' record, it was Tony Sheridan's record. He was sharing billing with them (and they were credited as "The Beat Brothers").
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