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AceDetective
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02:13:18 PM Nov 7th 2013
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The Four Temperaments section needs to be modified a bit because those temperament placements aren't exactly accurate. I have done some research and I believe these are the more accurate personalities for those four:

  • John was Supine because of his passive-aggressive and idealistic nature along with his tendency to be cynical and melodramatic at sporadic moments. He was especially very witty and had his moments of having his head in the clouds. Although he's considered to be very shy and quiet, he could be a loudmouth and say things he never meant to say. He was once considered by a reporter as lazy and disorganized. He also had moments where he would have random anger outbursts, but was able to forgive and forget. He was an impatient, naive, and highly insecure man of extremes who would hide behind an overly aggressive and cruel facade in front of others (mostly people he's familiar with), then privately be very unsure of himself. He had a habit of exaggerating his own accomplishments and being vain, arrogant, and a narcissist. He seemed to have a strong need to fit in with trends despite trying to come off as rebellious and constantly changed outlooks on life, along with his appearance, like a chameleon (teddy boy, hippie culture, antiwar activism, etc..). Despite being one of the biggest optimists about the band when it first started, he was classified as the agitator in the band since he was an asshole to a lot of people (including his family and friends). After he made the "Bigger than Jesus" remark and received a lot of backlash, he became increasingly neurotic and apathetic about almost everything. He, with the help of Yoko, played a big part in trying to sabotage the band (much to Paul's dismay).

  • Paul is Melancholic because of his driven and hard-working nature yet conservative and uptight personality. According to traveling journalists, Paul and George were known as the pranksters of the band, as well as the most talkative. Although John was considered the "leader" of the band, Paul was the domineering member who made most of the creative decisions. He's an overly dedicated workaholic and arguably is the most talented. He has a massive ego so he has numerous moments of being a control freak who wanted things to go his way, and a perfectionist towards a lot of his songs. He especially has moments of being condescending towards his bandmates and a major show off. He is the only ex-Beatle who hardly ever collaborated with the others (if he did, it's mostly with Ringo) and it's generally because of his own self-absorbed and hard-to-please attitude. He further has a habit of being thin-skinned or sensitive to criticism, as well as having a vicious temper when things don't go his way. Despite his flaws though, he can be very charming, helpful and self-sacrificing. He was classified as the optimist in the band since he really enjoyed being a Beatle and only wished to keep the band going even though he knew that the band's dissolution was inevitable (according to John however, Paul was only keeping the band going for his own sake, not everyone else's).

  • George was Melancholic because of his calm, sarcastic and brooding nature, along with an indifference towards fame. He was considered by many who knew him as a gentleman. On the other hand, he had a fearsome temper, started fights with policemen and photographers during his early years touring with The Beatles, and was a red-blooded man. Despite his (supposed) indifference towards materialism, he was the most business (money) minded member of the band and wore the trendiest clothes compared to the others. According to a biography by Bob Spitz, George was very stubborn and despised authority figures. He was the one who argued a lot (especially with Paul) during numerous sessions like the Revolver, White Album, and Let It Be sessions. He's just as much of a perfectionist as Paul and could even be as demanding as him sometimes (hence the two barely ever getting along). However, he could sometimes be terribly indecisive and lack confidence in his skills. He had a nearly life-long resentment towards not only Paul for "ruining him as a guitarist" and John for constantly being condescending towards him, but his overall experience as a Beatle almost to the point that arguably he must've suffered from post traumatic stress disorder. The people who knew him clarify that he hardly was the "Quiet Beatle" fans view him as. In fact, some of his friends recalled how he would never stop talking. Altogether, he was more of the "Stubborn Beatle" than anything else because of his independent and rebellious behavior.

  • Ringo is Choleric because of his cheerful, warm and sociable personality although he has his moments of mood swings and having a bit of an inferiority complex in the band. He is known for being the mediator in the band when creative tensions were to arise between his bandmates. According to Here, There, And Everywhere, a memoir by Beatles engineer Geoff Emerick, Ringo was actually the "quiet one" in the band who said very little, always seemed to have his guard up, and lacked confidence in his drumming abilities. He was also very uptight and nervous when it came to singing since he was not much of a vocalist. That sort of nervousness and insecurity could also point back to his inferiority complex, along with being the "newbie" in the band. As a result, he can be very sensitive and temperamental if criticized and/or insulted. On the flip side, he's generally happy-go-lucky and as much of a wisecracking joker as John at times, hence the two being the closest of friends compared to the other Beatles. He's also the biggest party animal out of the four. He's the only ex-Beatle who happened to collaborate with all three of his bandmates which lends to the fact that he was the mediator and easygoing realist in the band.

So, what do you guys think?
gallium
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05:12:34 PM Feb 1st 2013
So I'm looking at the Getting Crap Past the Radar subsection dedicated to the Beatles. It's kind of a mess. There are a few legit examples of The Beatles getting crap past the radar, like the "fish and finger pie" sexual reference in "Penny Lane". There's stuff the band didn't actually intend, like the supposed oral sex meaning to "Please Please Me". There's stuff people are just making up, like "Any Time At All" being about booty calls, and there's stuff that's just plain wrong, like Paul's count-in to "I Saw Her Standing There" ending with "fuck" when it was just an out-of-breath "four". I propose cutting out all the nonsense examples, which would be about 3/4, and restoring the rest to the main page.
Specialist290
06:04:25 PM Feb 1st 2013
Go for it. I think the trope is only supposed to be for either creator-confirmed or plainly obvious cases anyway; everything else is just proof that some people have dirty minds.
gallium
06:08:35 AM Feb 2nd 2013
edited by gallium
These are the examples from that page that I think are legit, deleting both things that aren't true and things where they obviously didn't care about the radar and spoke overtly, like "Why Don't We Do It In The Road?":

  • "Penny Lane" contains sexual slang ('fish and finger pie' = fingering) a lot of people missed, and "Drive My Car" is veritable wall-to-wall Double Entendre.
  • Right after the line "Remember to let her under your skin" at about 2:56 of "Hey Jude," John shouts what appears to be "OH!" What he really says is "Got the wrong CHORD!" This is immediately followed by a clearly audible "Fucking hell." To repeat: you can clearly hear John Lennon say "Fucking hell" during the only version of The Beatles' most popular single. Hearing the F-word uncensored in a single in 2010 is rare. The Beatles pulled this off in 1968.
  • At numerous times during "She Loves You," the boys are actually singing, "She'd love to." Listen closely to the middle of the choruses: "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah./She'd love to, yeah, yeah, yeah."
    • This in-joke is revisited at the end of "All You Need is Love," where the lyric is clearly "She loves you, yeah yeah yeah!/She'd love to, yeah yeah yeah!"
  • Many songs are said to be about drugs: "Got To Get You Into My Life", "Happiness is a Warm Gun" ("I need a fix..."). McCartney has claimed that, after "I Want To Hold Your Hand," anything that looked like a drug reference probably was. The exception is, ironically enough, "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds", which is a very long, but (except for the double entendre in "grows so incredibly high") totally non-drug-related, story.
    • "Dr. Robert" was about a real life acquaintance who was a doctor in both senses of the word at once.
  • At the end of "Norwegian Wood", "So, I lit a fire/Isn't it good, Norwegian wood", is a reference to the singer burning the girl's house down.
  • The word, "Tit" sung as a refrain of "Girl".
  • "All Together Now." Quite possibly the only children's song that talks about sex... but not explicitly.
    One, two, three, four
    Can I have a little more?
    Five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, I love you.
    A, B, C, D
    Can I bring my friend to tea?
    E, F, G, H, I, J, I love you.
    ....
    Black, white, green, red
    Can I take my friend to bed?
    Pink, brown, yellow, orange and blue, I love you.
  • "Don't Let Me Down." Real subtle.
    And for the first time that she really done me
    Ooh she done me
    She done me good
    I guess nobody ever really done me
    Oh she done me
    She done me good
  • Penis jokes in "With a Little Help From My Friends:"
    What do you see when you turn out the light?
    I can't tell you but I know it's mine.

mittfh
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03:07:38 PM Feb 16th 2012
While Fade Outs don't normally merit a mention, Hey Jude effectively parodied the concept by extending it over several minutes... although I haven't a clue of where best that could be squeezed into the main article...
MarkLungo
03:17:52 PM Feb 16th 2012
Maybe it belongs in the Trivia section?
Statalyzer
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12:58:11 AM Dec 1st 2011
ĽAnd Starring: Billy Preston's work on keyboards with the band during the Get Back sessions earned him a special credit; the "Get Back"/"Don't Let Me Down" single was attributed to "The Beatles with Billy Preston". This was the only time the band shared billing with another artist.

What about Tony Sheridan?
gallium
05:03:31 PM Feb 1st 2013
That wasn't The Beatles' record, it was Tony Sheridan's record. He was sharing billing with them (and they were credited as "The Beat Brothers").
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