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12:22:16 PM Feb 11th 2013
I'm not sure that the LEGO Adaptation games should be here. They're still as successful and popular as they've ever been, and they're not getting significantly worse, which their presence here would imply. I'm guessing that the writer was getting at the whole Mission-Pack Sequel thing, but I would argue that staying the same is not in itself a bad thing. After all, it if ain't broke, don't fix it, and some of the more recent ones have started to change things up and experiment a little, to be fair. I've left it there for now, but I would like to hear what others think about this.
11:54:40 AM May 21st 2013
General opinion of the LEGO Adaptation games was that the original LEGO Star Wars games were universally praised, but starting with LEGO Indiana Jones and LEGO Batman, the series garnered criticism for consisting entirely of Mission Pack Sequels. For example, LEGO Star Wars II (PC) has a Metacritic rating of 86% while one of the more recent titles, LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean (PC), only has a Metacritic rating of 73%.

The newer games aren't necessarily bad (if anything, they have slowly improved over time), but I think critics and gamers alike are feeling that the LEGO Adaptation games are suffering from Sequelitis because there's at least one new game every year and they're all basically the same thing with only a few minor changes. Much as a sequel would be criticized for rehashing the original's plot, these games are criticized for rehashing the original's gameplay. And that, I think, should be enough to qualify for Sequelitis.
02:25:23 PM Jan 4th 2013
Not played Skyward Sword, but I'd never in a million years call Majora's Mask and The Wind Waker signs that the Zelda series and the way its bosses were fought was stagnating.
12:53:01 PM May 22nd 2013
Overall critical quality of the Legend of Zelda series is widely regarded to be stable. If there's a trope regarding stagnant boss fights, you might be better off trying there.
01:24:17 PM May 22nd 2013
Better off? I was arguing against a long since removed example.
09:36:38 AM Sep 23rd 2012
Shouldn't there be a trope that for any trilogy, the odds are the highest that of all the movies, the second one will be the worst of the group?
07:36:58 AM Sep 24th 2012
What? If anything, the opposite is true. I can only think of one trilogy offhand where the second film is considered the worst. All the others, the second film is generally highly rated.
11:12:40 PM Oct 6th 2012
Like aything in life. There is always an exception. We should not totally believe the theory that a sequel is only 50% as good as the first and gets worse as time goes on. This might be true for 80 to 90 percent of sequels. You can't tell that to George Lucas, whose The Empire Strikes Back was better than the first Star Wars, and The Return of the Jedi was better than all three of them put together.
12:25:16 PM Jun 11th 2013
That's the Sophomore Slump.
05:24:16 PM Aug 9th 2012
Why isnt Alien or The Elder Scrolls mentioned?

05:33:43 PM Aug 9th 2012
Both are already on Contested Sequel, so they probably can't go here.
01:22:51 AM Jun 20th 2012
what about a 'real life' section, for example the crusades suffered from Sequelitis a heap.
02:58:17 PM May 31st 2012
Thanks to American Reunion, the American Pie entry is outdated. I'm not familiar with the franchise, so I can't correct it myself.
10:16:11 PM May 2nd 2012
Um, should we really have Aversions or Subversions or whatever you crazy kids are calling them these days, in here? This is supposed to be a list of movies/whatevers with progressively worse sequels, not a list of movies/whatevers with progressively worse sequels, plus all the movies/whatevers that DON'T have progressively worse sequels.

Or is that just me?
11:39:00 AM Mar 2nd 2012
edited by SamMax
What happened to much of the Western Animation entries?

EDIT: DERP! Never mind, they're in Animated Films!!!
07:27:09 AM Feb 29th 2012
Hi. I'm curious. What's the trope for when a sequel, either ill-received or 'improved,' causes the reassessment of the original film?

A tired example would be if a viewer likes the original Star Wards, loves Empire, but Jedi causes the reassessment of the original as 'Yeah, it's good, but it's not Empire, so it's just alright.'

Do we have a trope for that?


02:55:35 PM Jan 16th 2012
Shouldn't "the common symptoms" part be in the analysis entry?
10:46:10 AM Aug 25th 2011
Would the Starfox series be an example of this, or more like genre derailment? After two successful space shooter games, they've gotten a zelda type game with Fox pasted in, some other half-hearted stuff, and a strategy game.. but no more games like the original two, which is presumably what fans would want.
10:29:41 AM Jul 25th 2011
Pirates of the Caribbean should be removed because number 4 was the best. (in my opinion at least)
11:21:41 AM Nov 22nd 2011
edited by SamMax
It isn't all about you, sir. There's a reason this is a Subjective Trope. Good lord, you'd think people would pay attention to the rules! I say don't remove it unless so many people agree with you that the ones that don't are insanely difficult to find.

EDIT: It seems to be gone (or maybe I was being too stupid and lazy). Why this is, I don't know. I'll look into it...when I feel like it.
12:30:09 AM Jun 26th 2010
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Why is Surprisingly Improved Sequel a subjective trope but this isn't?
08:34:21 AM Sep 24th 2010
Because you can point to two measures to see if whether or not the sequel is well-received or a drag:

1. The Box Office Tallies. Does the film do drastically worse than the previous one? In particular, is there a massive drop-off after the opening weekend in terms of ticket gross?

2. Critical Review. If the first film was well-received by critics, while the second one is savagely torn apart, then it's usually a sign that the film is weaker.
11:18:03 AM Nov 22nd 2011
This is now a Subjective Trope, like it should be, despite Wise Bass's statements. Besides, for all you know, people may like a film and every one of its sequels equally. Yes, my response is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overdue, but please accept this.
11:21:38 AM Apr 9th 2010
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I want the overly wordy Rifftrax quote back.
01:44:39 PM Apr 9th 2010
Disagree. It calls out too many movies by name, and people not familiar with those movies won't get it. The ones that like them will be annoyed. We're better off with the current quote that doesn't name names.
03:02:23 PM Apr 15th 2010
It's hyperbole and the lesser of two evils. I saw and enjoyed Spider-Man 3 and Terminator 3 (though they weren't as good as the first two), but the current quote is still painful as hell.
02:10:42 PM May 27th 2010
Maybe it's the whole child-killing "humour", I dunno but I hate it.
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