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02:53:50 PM Mar 3rd 2018
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09:16:41 PM Aug 21st 2017
edited by WanderingBrowser
I was going to just add this, but saw that there was an earlier version that'd been deleted, so I figured I'd ask first: should Keith and Natani, the Beta Couple of TwoKinds, be included on this page?

Natani is physically female, but mentally s/he's extremely gender-fluid and becomes more so as the comics progress, notably going from a "self-loathing man trapped in a woman's body" in the earliest comics to "self-admittedly fluid between male and female" from essentially the 930s onward.

A theoretical entry for this page might look something like this:

  • In TwoKinds, Beta Couple Natani and Keith sit in a grey area between this trope and the Yaoi Guys version of Sensitive Guy and Manly Man. Keith is small, thoughtful, patient, well-educated, in touch with his feelings and prone to breaking into tears when he gets overwhelmed, sexually shy and polite. Natani is almost a foot taller, brash, aggressive, blunt-spoken, sarcastic, uneducated to the point of only speaking one language and so relying on Keith to translate, more emotionally closed off, and much more sexually aggressive than Keith is. However, Natani is so masculine in part due to being mentally gender-fluid, with a Character Development arc that actually involves going from "self-hating man in a woman's body" to "both and neither", hence the overtones of the relationship being homosexual despite their physical genders.
    • The comic's author has actually teased this trope by doing several non-canon art-pieces depicting Keith in female clothing, contrasting Natani's usual masculine garb. The kicker is one titled "The Daily Life of the Kaisers", in which Keith and Natani are depicted as 1950s-esque husband and wife — with Keith as the wife and Natani as the husband.
01:02:33 PM Aug 21st 2015
  • Firefly: Hoban "Wash" Washburne is a geeky, Non-Action Guy who is usually acting as the moral compass if Kaylee isn't around. His wife Zoe? Yeah. Stoic, gunslinging Action Girl, ex-soldier, and the ship's second in command. Wash fully admits his wife could kill him with her pinky if she were so inclined.

Has been readded when I took it away because Wash is boyish, not feminine.
05:28:07 PM Nov 19th 2013
I suppose a Camp Straight guy with a Lad-ette girlfriend might or might not qualify.
02:04:56 AM Nov 20th 2013
I expect they would.
02:57:30 PM Jun 19th 2013
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I deleted this wick:

  • In Jane Eyre, the title character has more moral strength and self-worth than Mr. Rochester. His feminine side comes out in the course of the relationship.

Mr Rochester is very masculine and a true Byronic Hero. He's not feminine in the least. Unless somebody provides evidence from the novel and proves me wrong, I say this couple is not an example of this trope.

05:26:52 PM Mar 18th 2013
From the list near the end of the description:

"The guy or girl do not have to weaker or stronger than the other to not fall under this."

I think this is really unclear — I'm not even sure what it's trying to say. Any ideas for a tweak to make it clearer?
03:29:32 AM Jun 20th 2013
"This is not a trope about relative strength — it does not require that either party be stronger than the other."

01:32:37 PM Apr 7th 2012
Can somebody please explain how Ovid's Hermaphroditus (a normal boy bathing in a pool) and Salmacis (a horny nymph) are this trope? Them fusing together into a single hermaphroditic Biological Mash Up is not this trope.
02:55:59 PM Jun 19th 2013
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That's not the example of this trope. Shoehorning.

I removed the entry.

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