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Rothul
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10:53:19 PM Aug 9th 2012
Removed the following for being generally confusing. The most common complaint about the show is that it glamorizes teen pregnancy, and gives an unrealistic portrayal. Both are admitted as likely by the example, and while only a strawman would consider it the sole cause of teen pregnancy, very few would argue unrealistic glamorization make things better:

  • Contrary to what adults between 35-64 may believe, 16 and Pregnant (and its spin-off series Teen Mom) did not make the teen pregnancy problem in America worse than ever. If anything, MTV launched the series to help combat the issue after the infamous nineteen girl pregnancy pact in Nebraska. Another variant of the blame are from mothers who got pregnant young as well, with most of them claiming the show does not reflect their personal experience. The irony of those complaints is that many mothers prove that their experiences are vastly different from the show's pregnant girls, along with other teen mothers. This also makes the case that the show can't truly capture the average American's teen pregnancy situation, since there's no ideal way to show it (many Muslim Americans made similar complaints toward the producers of All American Muslim). 16 and Pregnant certainly has its share of problems - unintentional glorification is a commonly cited one - but from the sound of detractors, you think that 16 and Pregnant invented teen pregnancy.
Xaris
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09:43:04 PM Oct 31st 2010
edited by Xaris
Nevermind, got my answer elsewhere.
94.170.133.65
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06:13:33 AM Oct 21st 2010
Added Richard Knaak because at least one of the many accusations leveled against him is false. He does work with the lore department when it comes to changing certain details of the lore in his books; he doesn't just change things because he feels like it, contrary to what many of his critics think. The man is certainly guilty of other literary sins, but changing lore for shits and giggles is not one of those sins.
arromdee
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12:16:07 PM Aug 25th 2010
edited by arromdee
Pulled:

  • While the Code is almost always blamed for "killing" Super Hero comics in the 1950's (from the perspective of fans of the Dark Age and Modern Age comics anyway), there's a good chance that there would be no Superhero comics today if not for the Code. After the Golden Age ended superhero comics lost popularity - before the Code came about - and were being replaced by other genres such as horror and crime comics. The Code absolutely destroyed those two genres due to their natures, forcing readers to fall back on superhero comics.

Look at the dates. The code was 1954. Superhero comics continued to die after the code was introduced for several years. The Flash was 1956 (and it took a while after that for superheroes to actually get popular). The Fantastic Four was 1961. Post-code books couldn't be crime, but there was still sci-fi and monsters and such, not superheroes.

Also, look at manga. While there are a lot of non-superhero manga, of course, there are also a lot of series like Naruto full of people who use unusual powers to fight people with other unusual powers. So it's possible to have no Code and still develop something resembling superheroes.
VampireBuddha
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12:52:01 PM Apr 15th 2010
Pulled this on account of being incomprehensible:

* And Jean coming back was not due to Executive Meddling or pleasing fans. Nor was the way she was brought back a way to cheat readers. Claremont and others stated very clearly they wanted to bring her back, just not as a mass murderer, and it took them a while to figure it out.
Ana
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01:17:22 AM Apr 4th 2010
edited by Ana
Pulled the PC vs. consoles example because it isn't an example for the trope. It starts off with "Consoles first", then goes on a rambling Wall of Text why development for the PC platform is tough and never comes back. So, who gets blamed for consoles getting prioritized in game development? The developers? Console gamers? Publishers? And why is it Mis-blamed? Never explained.

Also, it comes dangerously close to flame bait.
Rebochan
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04:56:02 PM Mar 30th 2010
I pulled the Seth Mac Farlane example because...well look, I think it's fair that if he's the lead creative element on his show and voices most of the characters, he deserves at least some of the blame for the quality of the show, good or bad. Even on episodes he didn't write, he still had to think well enough of the scripts to get them produced and surely think of them in high enough regard as he's voicing all the characters.
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