Should we include Storm under "Electric Black Guy" Expies? I mean, Storm has powers other than Electricity manipulation but still, she's an iconic character.
Are there enough descendants of Ryo Asuka from Devilman to be mentioned on this page?
Light hair, supernatural nature, intense and/or homoerotic relationship with the protagonist, allusions to satan/fallen angels.
Kaworu from NGE, Griffith from Berserk, Bakura from Yugioh, Joshua from TWEWY, Sephiroth from FF 7.
Lucemon from Digimon is aesthetically styled after Ryo, but his role in the story varies between continuities.
Sort of an intersection between Satanic Archetype, White Hair, Black Heart, Mystical White Hair and Homoerotic Subtext, but all together in a more specific sort of archetype.
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"Fountain of Expies", or "Jumping on the bandwagon". I mean, they do say "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." Unless you're ripping something off to make money off its popularity.
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Would Cobra from Space Adventure Cobra count? Since his appearance, there has been a number of characters in anime and video games who have been roguish men dressed in red with a specialty in firearms. A few examples including Vash the Stampede from Trigun, Alucard from Hellsing, and even Dante from Devil May Cry.
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... that's so vague. "Man wears most common color and uses second most common weapon" is meaningless.
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Speaking of Saber/Artoria, is there anyone currently working on a trope for King Arthur clones/expies throughout media?
Also, is there anyone doing one for Iron Man clones/expies?
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I don't believe anyone has done a listing specifically for Iron Man expies. Do you know of some examples of such expies or clones?
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I do:
- Akira Konoe from Persona 5 Strikers His appearance and occupation as a rich tech guru, along with being praised as a "hero" is that of Tony Stark. And just like Iron Man, his Shadow's got a heroic-looking mechsuit, and possesses a Hulkbuster-esque mecha. In addition he sports the silver color motif of Superior Iron Man where Tony Stark under the negative influence of the Extremis shares his technology around with a lot of strings attached.
- Bruce Wayne/Batman sometimes is one, especially in New 52 (where he planned to "update" Gotham, used a lot of tech, and had a "Justice Buster suit" similair to the hulkbuster).
- Ian Izette/I-Guy from The Reflection, who is Tony Stark if he was a british rock star before the "bomb".
Lum of Urusei Yatsura should be here. She has multiple examples, some of which are already listed on [1].
I had two thoughts for potential expies.
One is Princess Sapphire from Princess Knight, who basically laid the foundation for "princely crossdressing women with swords", such as Oscar Francois de Jarjayes from The Rose of Versailles and Utena Tenjou from Revolutionary Girl Utena.
The other is Professor Harold Hill from The Music Man, who set a standard for con man characters who have that same old-fashioned attire (a suite with vest, oftentimes a straw boater hat), a pitch to scam a community, and sometimes even a musical number to perform. Lyle Lanley from The Simpsons (specifically "Marge vs. the Monorail) and the Flim-Flam Brothers from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic both draw inspiration from Harold Hill.
Why aren't there any Saber clone examples? or, why isn't it a trope yet?
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Outside of Fate itself, are there that many? I know there are countless Saberfaces in the Franchise, but it's less a Fountain of Expies and more a Recurring Element if they only show up in its own franchise.
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Sylvia Van Hossen from Princess Lover! is one from outside the Nasuverse i remember off the top of my head, i think i should probably ask around on reddit for others
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The new page pic is based on the "blonde female knight" character type that Saber started, or at least that's my take...there's a different pic in the thread (in the commented-out tag on the page) that shows more characters but not in as much detail.
Would it be appropriate to add Predator Pastiche to the index again, since it seems to have been launched permanently?
Is there a name for the wheelchair princess sister trope? Examples: Nunally from Code Geass, Sylvia from Cross Ange, Lemrina from Aldnoah Zero and Fiona Weinberg from Buddy Complex.
I'm not sure if Nunally was the ur example but she was the first example I ever saw.
Should Elvis Presley be listed, even if there's another page on Elvis Impersonators?
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Yes, but for different reasons (expies are not the same as impersonators).
An expy is something that's clearly modeled after a particularly successful character or performer while still trying to be something different. An Elvis impersonator doesn't go for this kind of reimagining. It's all about being exactly like Elvis. So the fact that there are Elvis impersonators doesn't automatically mean Elvis should be listed as a Fountain of Expies.
However, there are undoubtedly a lot of music artists who styled themselves after Elvis through a combination of rock, flashy clothing, sex appeal or a larger-than-life persona. Those do fall under this trope.
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So basically, Elvis is a Fountain of Expies. However, Elvis Impersonator doesn't count towards that, because they're an imitator, not an expy. Thus Elvis Impersonator wouldn't be listed on the list of "FOE with their own pages."
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Why is there nothing for Kenshiro from Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star? Shio Sakaki, Toriko...
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Probably because of lack of context that would justify writing an example on him?
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Should Shinji be added? Gurren Lagann, Guilty Crown and Mirai Nikki have protagonists who start out as him and then evolve in their own ways.
A blog that gets updated on a geological timescale.
Fountain of Expies has an inconsistent description. The beginning says, "This entry is trivia, which is cool and all, but not a trope. On a work, it goes on the Trivia tab." Then it says, "A Sub-Trope of Follow the Leader. A Super-Trope to: Alice Allusion, Big Red Devil, ..."
If Fountain of Expies is not a trope, then it must not be a sub trope or super trope of anything. It can't be a trope and no trope.
One possible fix is to declare that Fountain of Expies is a trope. Then I would have to move all the examples off all those Trivia tabs. The other possible fix is to write that Fountain of Expies is not a sub trope or super trope of anything. I am now making this fix.
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The problem is that this phenomenon is basically expy from the other side; that makes it trivia, since it is something not in the original work. Yet the classification is fine. We need some way of phrasing this that does not involve the word "trope".
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Would a Kaworu Nagisa Expy page be a good idea? I've noticed a lot of expies of them.
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The page image seems to be missing a couple. I didn't see much of Eureka Seven, but wasn't Eureka about the same?
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I made the page image, and yes, Eureka was at least starting as one. I could also list Miyu Glear from Mai-HiME, or Reki from Hidan No Aria, but the goal was to make an aesthetic picture showing the point, not to cram ALL the examples on a picture, even at the cost of their visibility.
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Would Spiderman be considered an iconic character, as one of the earliest Every Man comic book heroes? Or is he too distinct?
Should their be a sub-page for Justice League Expies, I mean we have Superman Substitute and those guys can usually be seen leading a team that consists of a gruff guy dressed all in black, a Distaff Counterpart, someone with Super-Speed and Captain Fishman who pretty much just exists for this purpose.