Main Deconstructor Fleet Discussion

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11:25:15 AM Jun 30th 2015
The problem with this trope page is that it's roughly divided into six types of entries:

  • Grimdark entries (whereas we've reached a general consensus that grimdark ≠ deconstruction and deconstructions are not necessarily grimdark).

  • People putting their favourite shows so as to be like ‘ZOMG it'z a deconstruction!!1!1one!’

  • Straightforward parodies (come on, we all know the difference).

  • Genre deconstructions (which belong on their own page).

  • No-context examples.

  • Actual examples of the trope.
All of the first five (especially 2) are quite misleading as to what this trope actually ‘‘‘is’’’. If an uninitiated visitor comes to this page, they might gain the idea that Haruhi Suzumiya and Naruto are great examples of deconstructions. (The former is postmodern and deconstructs some tropes, but plays a lot of tropes straight, and the latter is just too much of a poster boy for generic mainstream shōnen fighting action series.)

I actually like this page. I don't want it deleted. But it does need a major cleanup.
10:56:26 PM Oct 26th 2015
edited by BloodMist
The reason this page exists is because some works are so filled with decontructions that go above and beyond their genre and their universe that listing every example of it on the page would be a daunting effort. Besides, if you want to get the specific examples, which are very often tied to other tropes, you can go to the page of the work to get that. There is a reason why so many of the works listed here are Trope Overdosed: They go out of their way to deconstruct multiple, multiple topics. Get my point? This is just to point out that there doesn't need to be fifty examples for every work on here.
01:51:50 PM Aug 12th 2014
Does the Elfen Lied example really count? There's nothing about "having a cute, amnesiac, completely childish girl with no nudity taboos fall in your lap" that would in real life lead to all the Nightmare Fuel and Tear Jerker situations in Elfen Lied.

02:18:00 PM Aug 12th 2014
Nope. That seems like it's merely being played negatively, but that alone doesn't make a deconstruction. I'll remove that.

05:51:55 AM Apr 15th 2012
Okay, now I'm just confused about the Deconstructor Fleets in general. I think it's hard to understand why a creation is counted as Deconstructor Fleet without doing a small "research" (i.e reading, watching, playing etc) on it. That would be disorienting for non-fans and casual readers of this site.

So can someone explain now?
12:13:52 PM Jan 26th 2012
I moved this no-context example. I know this is a deconstruction of the knight errant genre, but I've never read it so I can't write the example.

02:58:01 AM Apr 18th 2011
I added an entry for the work of Grant Morrison under comic books. This is my first real edit, so I will be totally not offended if someone wants to expand on, add, or even get rid of, the entry. I believe that it qualifies as Deconstructor Fleet, but I could be wrong.
04:33:05 PM Dec 21st 2010
"Knights Of The Old Republic 2 is a deconstruction of both the Star Wars franchise and Role Playing Games. You don't see too many RPG-s that integrate game mechanics into their plot, resulting in... a main character who grows stronger by killing enemies and taking on challenges (therefore collecting XP)."

Hurr, what? That sounds like EVERY RPG.
05:30:46 PM Aug 28th 2010
There are way to many that are just examples, without explianing WHY they count as Deconstructor Fleets.
02:25:03 PM Sep 7th 2010
I agree. This Troper is now adding details to every example that he's familiar with and that lack them.
06:08:07 PM Jun 28th 2010
I really don't know if parodies like Scary Movie or Airplane qualify.
02:08:04 PM May 6th 2010
Okay, this is bugging me a bit... Does Final Fantasy *really* count as a Deconstructor Fleet? Yes, they've deconstructed a fair number of tropes, I'll grant you, but is it really enough to qualify?

Now, I haven't played IX or XII out of the post-SNES era, so maybe there's something in them that I'm missing, but I don't think the others qualify (as decent as they are). So... Yeah. Little help here?
05:34:48 AM Jun 15th 2010
I'd say XII and XIII are the closest the series gets to this. Others are fairly straightforward.
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