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06:39:59 PM Sep 6th 2017
You know, considering the many cutaway gags Family Guy has, I'm surprised no one bothered to just simply make a full page of the BLAM of the show.
12:57:35 PM Sep 21st 2015
edited by Lheticus
(deleted because I didn't look for what I was after first)
09:43:13 AM Aug 28th 2015
edited by toonman2
Is there a sex scene equivalent to BLAM? Especially these days as more and more shows are ramping up the sexual content to "keep up with the Joneses / HB Os" I'm sure I can call to mind a few examples of shows (film and TV) that treat their sexual content in a BLAM way. YMMV but shows that come to mind include Good Wife, Game of Thrones (beyond the whole "sex-position" rationale), Sense8, and even going back a few years the 1999 series Peter Benchley's Amazon for some reason decided to toss in a pointless nude scene, and that show aired on prime time in Canada. Doesn't have to be sex scenes, could also be sexually provocative content. The infamous Carol Marcus underwear scene in Star Trek Into Darkness, for example, which might even be listed already as a straight BLAM though I haven't checked.
02:39:06 AM Aug 29th 2015
Gratuitous Sex Scene would be one, for YKTTW. Or just use BLAM.
02:43:07 PM May 13th 2015
Could Random Events Plot be considered the Logical Extreme of this trope?
01:53:58 PM Apr 12th 2015
Does the Southern Island scene from Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire count? Lati@s appears out of nowhere, takes you flying straight down to Southern Island for a quick battle with the villain team and a free Legendary Pokemon, and then it is never mentioned or reference made to it again.
01:55:47 PM Apr 12th 2015
No because the scene has a point: you get either Latios or Latias.
01:54:37 PM Dec 9th 2014
I fail to see why this is YMMV. Can anyone provide an example that would pass an as an example, but still be subjective?
02:10:40 PM Dec 9th 2014
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Because sometimes the BLAM is relevant to the narrative in an abstract way, even if it doesn't directly advance the plot. For instance, the Ferngully scene where the goana sings a disturbing song about wanting to eat Zach doesn't advance the story, the goana comes out of nowhere, and then it's never seen again, but it's relevant thematically in that it represents the danger of the rainforest. Zach previously was just chopping down trees without a thought, now he's turned from the hunter to the hunted. From there one could form an argument that the scene being called a BLAM isn't a BLAM to everyone, as it might have a meaning to some. Few storytellers intentionally put in a BLAM; the scene in question usually served some purpose to them.
03:06:13 PM Dec 9th 2014
06:00:54 AM Apr 28th 2014
Excuse me does Gale singing karaoke of the song "Major Tom (Coming Home)" by German musician Peter Schilling from a DVD hank found as one of the evidence in the episode of breaking bad called Bullet points the episode after Gale's death be considered as a BLAM point?
10:58:00 PM Jan 13th 2013
Only tangentially related, but I totally heard the last few lines ("I am the very model of a modern major general") in the style of Professor Elemental.
02:33:15 AM Oct 7th 2012
An example in the TV Tropes section of this article states "The fact that the Real Life moments were being posted about meant that they were being mentioned again, thus disqualifying them." Wouldn't that mean that all examples in every medium were mentioned again, thus not making them Big-Lipped Alligator Moments? If so, that means that this article is useless, because there are no Big-Lipped Alligator moments to post about.
05:11:10 AM Feb 27th 2013
The Real Life examples were mentioned again in real life. If they're mentioned outside of the work, they still qualify.
12:34:40 AM Jul 30th 2011
Otaku: If you're really serious about renaming this, go to "Trope Repair Shop" on the fora, and start a thread there. We don't cut tropes for having bad names.
03:38:43 PM May 23rd 2011
Re the dance sequence in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: It has been suggested that this was thrown in by screenwriter Steve Kloves, who wrote all but the 5th movie, as one last Harry/Hermione shipping moment before he was forced to go with the official pairing. Kloves has stated that when he started writing the movies he had assumed Harry and Hermione would end up together, had written the first few films under this assumption -playing up their relationship- and was surprised when J.K. Rowling did not go this way.
11:18:31 AM May 11th 2011
I think two new additions should be added to the Big-Lipped Alligator Moment Page. These two following instances come from the 1956 musical "An American In Paris", but were never discussed in the article. The first scene is when Oscar Levant's character, Adam, is sitting alone in his apartment, daydreaming about himself performing Gershwin's "Concerto in F" amongst a band comprised entirely of himself, to an audience that is basically himself for five minutes six seconds. When the scene is over, it is never even whispered to the other characters for the remainder of the film. Here it is:

Another Big-Lipped Alligator Moment is the 20-minute "An American in Paris" ballet performed at the end, when the main character, Jerry (played by Gene Kelly) is facing a crisis of which the girl of his dreams is about to leave him for his best friend to America. As Jerry stares off to the distance, the scene then fades into this elaborate, silent dance sequence that somehow relates to how he felt throughout the course of the movie, but when we're watching it, we're just mesmerized by the visual effects and confused as hell as to what's going on, and, the worst (?) part is, once the scene is done, the woman has already come back to him, and the two walk off into the night, happily ever after, without a word spoken between them.
01:09:39 AM Apr 3rd 2011
...How is this subjective? It's an out-of-place thing never again referenced on the show. No subjectivity there.
11:59:34 PM Apr 11th 2011
If you want to see the discussion on the topic check out here. The idea of the trope is objective but 3/4 of the examples end up in arguments. The sheer level of maintenance needed for this trope indicates a subjective trope, regardless of the ideal "what it should be."
06:14:45 AM Jan 4th 2011

Does the reference to a piece of Stock Footage count? (look towards the end of the page).

Anyway, here's the extract: Even Reality TV is not averse to this. One episode of Fame Academy, a BBC Talent Show, had footage of a governor (the part of the engine, not a U.S. Senator for a few brief seconds. Why this happened was never explained. This could possibly be a Stock Footage Failure.

—- Does this qualify?
07:46:58 PM Nov 28th 2010
so, how come this is subjective?
10:51:42 AM Oct 21st 2011
That's what I wanna know!
12:54:51 AM Nov 12th 2010
So I take it that the perception of whether or not a moment is ridiculous is what makes this a subjective trope? I mean it seemed like a pretty objective trope to me, I was surprised to see it under YMMV.
05:02:58 AM Feb 10th 2011
I'm befuddled myself.
10:51:11 AM Oct 21st 2011
I second that.
04:36:26 PM Aug 7th 2010
People seem to be confused about what actually constitutes a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment. I've seen examples as stupid as "the character eats a bowl of cereal for a long period of time" or "characters have to flip through a few tv channels to get to a channel where an important new even is being shown." We need to find some way to teach people the difference between BLA Ms and filler.
03:32:35 AM Sep 7th 2010
Personally, I think a lot of people keep missing the "over-the-top in ridiculousness even when compared to the rest of the work" criterion here.
11:33:00 AM Sep 25th 2010
On that note, I think these examples should be removed:

•That cannibals-on-the-island scene in the second Pirates Of The Caribbean movie. That scene is way too long to be a BLAM and although completely irrelevant to the plot, it's not really illogical and is already mentioned on the Wacky Wayside Tribe page. It's been a while since I saw that film, but in a Western, a guy getting shot doesn't sound ludicrous at all even if it has no plot relevance. It doesn't forward the plot at all, but it's not illogical within the context of the film and it is referenced again when the come back with the real Santa (as in "This time we REALLY caught him!")
  • Despicable Me has one where the minions go to the big box store. They go around looking in wonder at and trying everything, but the plot is neither advanced nor set back.
Again, there's nothing illogical about this, especially in a movie that essentially plays out like a feature-length Looney Tunes cartoon.
03:35:54 PM Aug 7th 2010
I've been reading the article and it seems there are lots of examples that are actually just Rule of Funny or Rule of Cool. I for once think that for a BLAM to be a BLAM it has got to be played straight, as in they were not aiming to make it one.
03:59:44 PM May 20th 2010
Is the (in)famous Big Lipped Alligator Moment really a BLAM? I was watching the movie today and the gator is shown again, he's even mention by another character. Don't BLAM's have to not be mentioned again?
09:29:21 AM May 21st 2010
You know, it's facts like this that make me really hate this trope name.
01:43:14 PM Aug 24th 2010
I strolled on here to make this very point. The supposedly trope-making scene is actually quite an important one in the film, with two of the main characters evading death by befriending an alligator that was supposed to eat them, and later on same reptile helps defeat the villain, even giving a brief reprisal of the musical number that is allegedly "never mentioned again" in the process. If it weren't the neat acronym, I'd be suggesting a rename.
03:35:03 AM Sep 7th 2010
I thought it was the out-of-nowhere transforms-a-sewer-into-a-ballet-pool musical element of the whole scene that rendered it a BLAM?
04:18:21 PM Mar 6th 2011
edited by Girog
@Prof Peanut No, that would make it a Disney Acid Sequence.
02:14:23 PM Apr 22nd 2012
There is the little fact that the scene violates the film's own in-universe rules, and not for Rule of Funny or Rule of Cool. By the film's own logic, Charlie and the gator should not be able to understand each other. If the film made any attempt to explain the contradiction or even Handwave it then the scene wouldn't be this trope, but the film doesn't. The scene just happens somehow.
02:27:42 AM May 5th 2010
How can Real Life have Big Lipped Aligator moments? The point is that they are never referred to on the show gain, but since we're here talking about them... by definition, they shouldn't be possible in Real Life.
02:04:38 PM Jun 1st 2010
edited by RAFritz
By that definition, you can't have a BLAM, period (since, even if it happened in a movie or TV show, we're talking about it). I would say that a BLAM is possible in real life if the incident made no sense in the context of anything else that was going on at that particular point in time and was never referred to again within a reasonable window of time afterward. Or would that just be considered a non sequitur?
02:59:05 AM Jun 16th 2010
Sure you can have a BLAM by that definition - it has to be never spoken of again ON THE SHOW. We, being outside the tv show, can freely talk about it. But Real Life is a show we can never be outside of.
03:37:21 PM Aug 7th 2010
I think -we- cannot have a BLAM, but a real life BLAM can happen. Suppose you see it happen to other people, they'd be 'the show'.
10:49:11 AM Oct 21st 2011
Real Life examples seems to have been removed. They even say that it's anybody's guess how it's possible.
10:28:23 PM Nov 2nd 2011
Little late on the uptake, but probably brought on by bad drug trips.
08:07:04 PM Dec 12th 2011
The idea behind BLA Ms is that they don't abide by the rules of cause and effect that typically define a plot (nothing causes them and they cause nothing). Real-life does, for better or worse, abide by cause and effect - therefore, no BLA Ms.
07:04:47 PM Mar 23rd 2010
I think the Sandman entry under comic books should be taken out. As was mentioned in the edit below it, the scene is relevant both in terms of plot and theme, so why even leave it there?
08:19:59 PM Mar 23rd 2010
excellent point I'm going to remove it.
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