Well, I'm staying the hell away from this page because it's becoming chaos.
Are we supposed to use spoiler tags in this section, I feel like anyone who reads these should understand that discussions about plot holes and loose ends will have spoilers, and using spoiler tags would make every one of these pages look like a CIA document.
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I don't spoiler tags are necessary.
To cast aside fear and regret. To do the deed at hand.
Yeah, in this section it's usually expected to see some details.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Excuse me, I'm not sure where to put this suggestion. But why doesn't TV Tropes have an option to edit individual folders, like Wikipedia does? It would make editing a lot easier.
To cast aside fear and regret. To do the deed at hand.
I would think so. It's very nature involves discussion and answering questions, unlike the main page. The Natter page itself does say that it's one of the exceptions to the "no natter" rule.
What is the difference between Fridge Logic and Headscratchers?
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Fridge Logic is when someone after the show starts to wonder about something that happened in the show.
Headscratchers is when someone takes a question about a work here.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Now that this topic is named "headscratchers", is the insect meant to represent a head louse?
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...one of these days, someone will have the brilliant idea to rename the tropes of legend to make them more clear, and then I'm done. In the meantime I'm just going to complain a lot. A lot. It just bugs me that we've changed IJBM.
...and yet people keep wondering Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things.
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I don't get why people get so worked up over stuff like this. Is there anyone who considers It Just Bugs Me pages essential to the TV Tropes experience?
Yeah. Me.
I can either be a devilish angel or an angelic devil. You decide.
Except it's still there. Just with a different name. Is that really such a big deal?
Just one more thing that makes the entire wiki that liiiittle bit more faceless and bland. Like changing Perdita X Dream, which was funny, into Awesome McCoolname. Ah well.
Seems like a The Powers That Be thing. I wouldn't support it. The ostensible reason was to prevent Complaining About Shows You Dont Like, which was already not allowed (except on Darth Wiki).
How is Perdita X Dream funny? It makes no sense to me. Awesome McCoolname makes so much more sense. Same goes for Headscratchers. If people were using It Just Bugs Me to whine and complain about things they didn't like instead of using it the proper way (asking genuine questions about the work), then it was a good thing that it was changed. Faceless and bland my foot.
Also complaining about a rename after the act is useless. If you don't like it so much, then why not talk about it in a trope repair shop or something like that?
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I don't understand why the name was changed, but pages upon pages of complaints are still there. Half of which included the term 'it just bugs me' and is now almost comically incomprehensible.
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yeah, it now says "it headscratchers me that..." its hilarious. Couldn't we have came up with a bit more eloquent name guys? :/
Could we put up something on the main page asking people to look out for the phrase "headscratchers" and replace it with (not a link, just the text) "it just bugs me"?
Headscratchers are meant to have good grammar. If someone sees something wrong, they should correct it even if it's someone else's entry. A specific thing for the JBM/HS confusion isn't really necessary, especially since it's been nearly a year since the change.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
What's the deal with the Headscratcher's page? Right now it seems to be a discussion page for people to ask questions about plot holes and have people either explain why they're not plotholes or just come up with scenarios to fill in the plot holes. That doesn't seem to mesh with the other trope pages.
Shouldn't people just point out examples of plot holes, like people point out examples of tropes? If someone has a reason why an entry isn't a valid plot hole, they would erase it with an explanation why, as they would erase a trope entry and explain why it doesn't fit. Right now, the headscratchers pages are really poorly designed messageboards. It seems we're encouraging people to dialogue in the trope pages, when I thought the site was trying to get away from that. If someone has a question about a work, shouldn't they go to the messageboards, or discussion page?
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There's nothing wrong with having a page where people can discuss plot holes. (and it should be noted that headscratchers is not just about plot holes, but is a place for any question or part someone didn't understand as long as it's not complaining.) Also, read the Conversation in the Main Page page, headscratchers is a place where it is encouraged
Uh... has the Headscratchers page disappeared for anyone else... or is my computer just being really weird?
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No it isn't. The page is just...gone. No history either. Wonder if it's just a server glitch, or some wiki vandalism.
Now I don't even have a link bar at the top of the home page. What is going on here?
Clearly the site itself had expressed its opinion on the rename.
Dear god, what have we done...?
I was thinking maybe the definition of what shouldn't be in Headscratchers could be expanded (on this page), since on some pages I've seen fans of the work complain about what they don't like about the work rather than things that don't make sense in the show. And no, they're not people Complaining About Shows You Dont Like.
Just wondering, which bar is the html bar that I have to type it into? Please answer, there are some works I have honest questions about. [/end noobishness]
Edited by AgentDragonhunter I'm alive and less annoying than ever before.
Folks, Just Bugs Me was renamed since some people took it to mean "whine about things that bug you."
As the main article says, it's only for sincere questions.
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Wouldn't those be better in the Fridge Logic section? Actually, what is the difference between Fridge Logic and Headscratchers?
- Fridge Logic = things you realized about the work and would like to point out. This also covers Fridge Horror and Fridge Brilliance.
- Headscratchers = Questions about the work you have.
No, there is no difference between Fridge Logic and Headscratchers.
Headscratchers is just the namespace where you ask about Fridge Logic.
The Fridge Namespace started out as being for Fridge Brilliance, but is also used for Horror and Logic.
Well they dodn't seem to have done anything besides renamed the thing so I don't think it will stop people from posting their bugs call a rabbit a smeerp if you want but it won't change how it works.
^It's a little too early to say the name won't work now.
Give it a few months.
Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian
Again:
Folks, Just Bugs Me was renamed since some people took it to mean "whine about things that bug you."
As the main article says, it's only for sincere questions.
^^ Thank you for the Constructive Criticism though.
Edited by DrStarky Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian
I swear, ever since I started paying attention to the forums, I've seen at least one major change per month.* . I wonder what change will occur in May, if any.
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I respect that some natter on headscratchers pages is unavoidable, but it's sort of annoying when people go through and shoot down valid headscratchers. "Well, actually" and "if you think about it..", this rubs me the same way as people who don't realize Tropes Are Not Bad - and neither are headscratchers bad.
Some natter is fine, but when people go down the page and take apart each headscratcher suggested it's a little annoying to me. Not declaring war on it, just saying.
(Same goes for people going down obviously ridiculous and Just for Fun Wild Mass Guessing entries and list "Jossed" on it as if it were a serious fan theory. For example, people can WMG about Blue's Clues and Star Wars sharing the same universe, but no one is SERIOUSLY expecing it to be a plot twist on either of the shows.)
Edited by pittsburghmuggle "Freedom is not a license for chaos" -Norton Juster's The Dot and the Line: A Romance in Lower Mathematics