Franchise Disney Animated Canon Discussion

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06:33:42 PM Dec 23rd 2017
Since we're made a list for the live-action remakes, does this mean we can make a list of the sequels not made by Walt Disney Feature Animation?
11:41:17 PM Jan 18th 2016
Now I added a bit of trivia/firsts/lasts to each film on this page, and they were removed. Should we reconsider that seeing as how they were important facts?
09:10:45 PM Oct 16th 2016
"This was the last movie released during (insert random Disney historical figure name here)'s lifetime" seems to me like something more fitting on that own movie's Trivia page. Especially if said historical figure had absolutely nothing to do with the feature's production, I can't see why that sounds significant enough, or even interesting enough, to mention here.
07:21:50 AM Oct 17th 2016
Some Trivia you added, including the tidbits I questioned above, got removed per this ATT discussion, which the Troper didn't link to in the edit summary:
06:03:25 PM Apr 1st 2014
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"The Nightmare Before Christmas was apparently supposed to be Disney's 32nd animated film, to have been released during the 1993 holiday season, with The Lion King, then Disney's 33rd animated film, being scheduled for the 1994 holiday season. Then Nightmare was rebranded as a Touchstone film due to being Darker and Edgier even by Disney's standards (and some of the animated canon's entries are more mature than others) and Lion King found itself pushed forward to summer 1994 and directly replacing Nightmare as Disney's 32nd as a direct result of said rebranding."

That hardly makes sense to me because The Lion King, while not scary, was more intense despite the G rating, but I still liked it as a kid. However, I think I may prefer TNBC and would like to consider this the 31.5th entry.
01:50:16 PM Apr 20th 2013
Does anyone know where I can find the full-length Japanese dubs of the Disney films, particularly Beauty and the Beast? Nico Nico has been no help at all.
03:16:57 PM Oct 30th 2011
They're retrying for The Snow Queen, according to it's page. Should we mention that here?

03:15:25 AM Oct 21st 2011
04:55:25 PM Oct 21st 2011
What are you talking about? The early 2000s stuff is from after the 90s renaissance, and no princesses are from the dark age. There are only ten princesses at all, these are them: Golden Era:

Snow White 1937

Cinderella 1950

Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) 1959

Renaissance Era:

Ariel (The Little Mermaid) 1989

Belle (Beauty and the Beast) 1991

Jasmine (Aladdin) 1992

Pocahontas 1995

Mulan (Only official Disney Princess to not actually be a princess at all) 1998

Come Back Era:

Tiana (The Princess and the Frog) 2009

Rapunzel (Tangled) 2010.

The two dark eras had none.
11:17:51 AM Jun 21st 2011
edited by 411314
Why does the page claim that the canon uses Black and Gray Morality and Brains Evil, Brawn Good? I can't think of any examples of either. May I remove those?
01:36:30 PM Dec 12th 2010
I'm thinking of adding a Running Gag entry on how, during production, the name of every villain's horse since the renaissance is "Snowball". This would include Shan Yu's horse, the horses pulling Ratcliffe's carriage in Pocahontas, Jafar's horse, Gaston's horse, and Frollo's horse. Would it count as a running gag if it's never mentioned in the films?
08:20:30 PM Oct 21st 2010
Why is Humans Are Bastards listed as a trope on this page? How do animated Disney movies paint humanity in a negative light?
05:32:49 PM Nov 2nd 2010
I think it is referring to King Triton's attitude toward humans from the Little Mermaid. At the end of the movie, he finally gave Ariel away to Eric accepted Eric as his son-in-law.
09:36:19 PM Nov 6th 2010
But shouldn't that be listed only on Mermaid's page, then, not on the page for the whole cannon? Should I remove it?
12:11:59 AM Nov 21st 2010
Yes, put it on the Little Mermaid's page.
08:55:00 AM Oct 5th 2010
edited by Vulchak
Okay, just for the sake of clarification here: this page does NOT list sequels, as they're not really canon, correct? If so, we should probably add a note about that to the main page.
10:30:25 AM Oct 5th 2010
As far as I can tell, The Enchanted Christmas is the only sequel with a page. That said, it definitely isn't part of the canon.
12:29:12 PM Oct 6th 2010
edited by DragonQuestZ
Why do you all assume this is the same as Canon? Just because it has that in the name does not mean this list has some weird rules for inclusion that other indexes don't follow.

Furthermore, you're acting like I'm just singling this sequel out for inclusion, and neglecting the others. How about the other sequels might not have their own pages yet? How about when they do, they would be included as well?

Finally, whether or not they are any good, or you want to forget them, is irrelevant.

The film is a Disney film, subpar or not, and thus should be included unless proven otherwise, NOT have to prove it's worthy of inclusion. In case you forgot, There Is No Such Thing as Notability, and that is a correct use, since I'm applying it to a work.
12:34:49 PM Oct 6th 2010
To my knowledge, the feature numbering only counts those released in cinemas, not anything exclusive to home video. They're related to Beauty and the Beast, but it's not what the definition of the Canon is.
04:14:45 PM Oct 6th 2010
edited by DragonQuestZ
Where did this "Canon" definition come from about this page specifically? Plus if it's not inclusive of all Disney works, why is it an index, when we should have an index for all Disney films?
11:28:08 AM Oct 10th 2010
The fact is that this wiki assigns numbers to each entry in Disney Animated Canon; Beauty and the Beast is number 30, Aladdin is number 31. Sticking sequels in between them on the list here is confusing and has the potential to mess up that entire system.

Moreover, both The Other Wiki and the Disney Wiki have categories for 'canon animated features' in Disney, neither of which include any of the sequels. No, I think sequels need to stay off this page.
05:22:05 PM Oct 10th 2010
edited by DragonQuestZ
Well finally, I got a good reason.

But what about a section for sequels, so that the numbering doesn't bother them?

Also, this uses bullet points, not the number bullets, which would not be screwed up by that.
11:32:13 PM Oct 10th 2010
edited by Vulchak
Okay, a seperate section for sequels, then. If you insist.
08:18:26 AM Jun 11th 2012
edited by R.G.
At the risk of changing the subject:

There are those who insist that All CGI Cartoons like Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt, Tangled and Wreck-It Ralph should be put into a separate canon.

Should this be so?
02:44:22 PM Jun 11th 2012
No, the ones counted by Disney as Canon movies should be the only ones that stay in the Canon. This is the reason why films animated by Disney aren't always in the canon.
03:50:59 PM Aug 17th 2012
edited by R.G.
Perhaps this should clear things up:

45. Home on the Range

46. The Princess and the Frog

47. Winnie-the-Pooh

As for the CGI canon, the list would go:

1. Chicken Little

2. Meet the Robinsons

3. Bolt

4. Tangled

5. Wreck-It Ralph

6. Frozen
03:38:54 AM Sep 4th 2012
That doesn't clear it up. Disney marketed Tangled as their 50th canon movie. Their our guide for the official order of canon movies.
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