This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Robert: Moved from The Disney Animated Classics
Harpie Siren: I decided to make a stub, I'm working on the real artical. I made links out of all the movies, they should all get a little blurb, some of them deserve a major write up (The Lion King, The Emperors New Groove, and Lilo And Stitch come to mind) I excluded a couple films from the list (mostly the package films, and the two sequals would be mentioned in the artical for the original)
Robert: For some of them, it's probably best to put the entry under movies, not in the main namespace. E.g, if the Disney Robin Hood gets its own page, it should go at Film.Robin Hood — if you lump it with the other Robin Hood films and series, it can go on the current Robin Hood page.
Overall, I'd say put it into movies if there's anything else notable with the same name.
Dark Sasami: What purpose does this page serve?
Harpie Siren: Well, since we have a page about movies now I thought that the Disney movies needed to be mentioned, but since there are only a handful of them that, I think, need a stand alone artical, I thought than an entry about the Disney movies as a whole would be best. I'm still working on this page's artical. If there's a movie on the list that doesn't need a page, un-WikiWord it.
Ununnilium: So, this is "every big-budget animated Disney movie other than sequels and—" ...what are "package films"? >>
Harpie Siren: Yes, it is. And "package films" are "movies" that are little more than a couple shorts thrown together.
Ununnilium: Ahhhhhh. Mmkay, I guess that works.
Later: The word "classics" in the name bothers me, though; it's an implicit value judgement, and I don't really want to call, say, Brother Bear a classic.
Robert: Move it to Disney Animated Movies?
Ununnilium: That's a bit wider than the category is now, though. Hmmmmmmm. Disney Animated Canon?
Harpie Siren: I was entertaining both terms... If you think Disney Animated Canon is better I'm all for the change. (And to be perfectly honest, to me, the list ends with Lilo And Stitch)
Ununnilium: Heh heh heh. Yeah, sounds good to me. Now, can somebody work the name-changer? I'm not sure it quite works for me. >>;
Tragic The Dragon: Hey, I like Brother Bear. <:/
Harpie Siren: We need a page about Disney's theactrical cartoons. Looney Tunes has a page, and there are just as many examples on this wiki for the Disney shorts. But what to call it?
Pro-Mole: Disney Animated Series or something? BTW, is it specifically the animated or the Looney Tunes reference confounded me?
Harpie Siren: That's too broad, an it sounds like it's be about Kim Possible, DuckTales and the like...
Pro-Mole: Thinking better, most of them aren't series, indeed... maybe Disney Cartoons
Ununnilium: Disney Theatrical Shorts?
Also: We need a Disney Afternoon entry.
Kilyle: Yes! Please! I still can't understand why such gems as Aladdin and Gargoyles aren't (last I checked) out as full series on DVD's. Honestly, the few episodes of Aladdin that got released were (a) on VHS, (b) paired with episodes of the (shudder) Little Mermaid series, and (c) marketed to girls of age 4 who (1) weren't alive when the series was being shown and (2) couldn't possibly have been the MAIN AUDIENCE for that cartoon. I've been suffering Mozenrath withdrawal for the better part of a decade now.
Of course, it doesn't help that both 11 and 13 completely dumped their afternoon kids' fare. I suppose the companies think people who enjoy cartoons by definition live in households with cable, and people who don't own cable are low-brow cave-dwellers whose height of afternoon pass-time is the chance to couch-potato their way through low-budget, Adam Sandler-esque sitcoms. Grrrr.
Also doesn't help that the one time I tried to contact Disney with the suggestion "Put Aladdin out on DVD or offer it for download" I got contacted by their lawyers with the message "Disney can't listen to your suggestions 'cuz you might sue them later if they did what you wanted."
Kilyle: Isn't there going to be something to this page besides a list? I thought from the link (from Shaming the Mob) that I'd get some better idea about how Disney has changed the thoughts that come to mind when various fairy tales are mentioned. E.g., how The Little Mermaid has nothing to do with theology or the soul and has a happy ending, or how Sleeping Beauty (I think that's the one) has nothing to do with an ogress-in-law who likes to feed on the flesh of young human relatives.
Sci Vo: That's a separate trope, Disneyfication. I'll add a link to that in Shaming the Mob, next to the link to this.
Tragic The Dragon: Come to think of it, I was just about to add a list of Tropes Associated With Disney Movies. Can anyone think of others?
Harpie Siren: Well, only the ones that are recurring tropes... like, um, Disney Villain Death, Parental Abandonment (Missing Mom and Disappeared Dad) Love at First Sight, One-Winged Angel, "I Want" Song, Villain Song, Crowd Song. Specific Tropes would go in the movie's artical...
Kilyle: Do you have that page up yet? We need a link here. Oh, and let's add whatever trope covers "we don't have happy families, we have dating singles with nieces and nephews".
