Discussion DarthWiki / WorseThanItSounds

A peron called 24.242.52.26 on the 14th Aug '10 7:19:12 AM. Look at page histories.

Did you see the example in the description? Pretension is one of the ways this page allows examples.

Put that up.

Nah. As written, it simply doesn't belong here. It's not that universally beloved properties can't be Worse Than They Sound — it's that it's very difficult to make something that's already very good sound better than it is. If anything, this entry belongs on the Better Than It Sounds page, because in his effort to excise all references to Star Wars the author of this summary fails to mention that you've got a lightsaber, a spaceship, and a sarcastic murderous robot buddy, all of which are awesome.

Just because it's difficult does not mean it doesn't belong here. It just means it would take more imaginative writing.

Well said. More imaginative writing is precisely what this entry needs. Who's up for the task?

Well the easiest way is to look at how good a work is, and then how good it isn't, and then make it seem like the latter.

I haven't played the game, so I can't do it.

You can do that. Just note it in the edit reason.

Okay. So I acted on this, gave a reason for it (agreeing with dxman above plus some), and you promptly undid the removal. You also suggested in your reason for doing so that I don't 'get' what the page is about. I'll address that comment fist, as it is rather pivotal to the rest.

My understanding of this page is that it is for making works seem better than they are; for presenting them in an extra glow-y sort of light that far surpasses what they actually offer by creatively selecting and spinning various themes, topics, happening, etc. from them into a promotional-like blurb (and not for making them sound worse than they are). If that understanding is incorrect, then please, by all means, and with my appreciation, do correct it. If it is not, however, then I'll note that 'promoting' Toy Story as: "An exploration of male jealousy and atheism," seems much more like a thinly veiled dig than a sparkling summary, and, therefore, whatever else might be said, that point should stand.

As for my ancillary objection to specifically calling the movie an 'exploration of atheism' (which you in turn seem to have objected to yourself), I note that I simply found the declaration to be rather random (and, again, whatever way that part might have been intended for interpretation, it didn't seem to have a particularly positive cast to it, either). You are right that I simply could have changed the entry to something better, but I really didn't have anything in mind to call upon that might have served. I give my apologies for the lack of inspiration, but note that perhaps your remark, and the manner in which you gave it, were a touch uncalled for.

Finally, for the sake of thoroughness, I'll acknowledge that the extra little bit I included with my preceding Xenosaga entry falls victim to something of the same argument of not being entirely positive in its casting, and thus may have (along with some unfortunate word overlap with my following edit note) made my additive and subtractive troping seem both entangled and a bit questionable. I state first that I was, in the end, just trying to have a bit of tongue-and-cheek fun with, and poke a bit of fun at, familiar media, as I imaging most tropers here are. I nevertheless admit that the inclusion was somewhat out of place. I waffled a little, in fact, over whether or not I should add it in, but it tied directly with the (as far as I can tell) perfectly valid entry on the game that I had made, so I eventually decided I would. As noted, though, I was aware of the inconsistency, which is a large part of the reason why I added the inclusion as hidden text, so that it wouldn't overtly intrude. (It also broadly pertains to end events of the game, so better, I thought, to be safe.) My point is that I wasn't trying to be either trollish or heedless.

Anyway, with all of that said, undo my actions or not as you see fit. I only ask that you are clear and internally consistent in doing so, and that my own activities are given the benefit of not being unduly disparaged or misunderstood.

P.S. E-gads! This rather got longer than I intended.

Well I fixed the atheism thing by making it something more fitting this page.

And wow, I completely forgot I wrote that in this discussion. Just a little red faced here.

"has a lot of really good titles"

That is not a reason to not include something. "several magnitudes better" means anything can be put here. If you don't think those examples are sufficiently better, that is a reason to take them off.

I fixed the example to fit this page.