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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
10th Dec, 2017 01:40:07 AM

A reality game show is still a show. And people don't behave the same way if they know they are being recorded. So yes they can be troped.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
10th Dec, 2017 07:57:56 AM

Try to be careful about describing the persona on the show and not the person in real life. Same issue we have with Musicians, really.

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jameygamer Since: May, 2014
10th Dec, 2017 05:34:31 PM

Well, if a contestant's antics on a show get them in trouble in real life, should we mention that, or strip the mention. There's a mention of what happened with Jeff Varney's outing of Zeke on Survivor, which got him in trouble in real life.

Candi Since: Aug, 2012
10th Dec, 2017 08:01:22 PM

We trope characters and personas, not RL people.

And that sounds like Trivia to me.

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jameygamer Since: May, 2014
11th Dec, 2017 01:26:07 AM

Well, I may strip it, then.

Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
11th Dec, 2017 06:35:32 AM

Reality shows get very blurry as to whether we're supposed to be seeing the contestants as real people or as "characters" constructed via selective editing and the people themselves acting differently on TV than they would in RL. When in doubt, the ROCEJ should pertain. Things that should be especially avoided include:

  • Any mention of anything done by the participants off-camera — that is, in any part of their lives that is not directly on or part of the show. The sole exception would be Trivia directly applicable to their appearance on the show — like someone injuring themselves or getting arrested and thus being unable to participate.
  • Tropes discussing the contestants in moral terms (Token Evil Teammate, Complete Monster, etc.).

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jameygamer Since: May, 2014
11th Dec, 2017 04:04:38 PM

Well, on Fighteer's note, I did strip a mention of Hell's Kitchen Season 15's Frank getting fired from a job for his behaviour on the show. It also looked like Natter and had an outgoing link.

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bwburke94 Since: May, 2014
11th Dec, 2017 10:02:14 PM

Back to the Jeff Varner Survivor incident for a moment, specifically involving "Zeke Smith the character" as opposed to "Zeke Smith the person".

The "character", so to speak, was portrayed as transgender in Survivor: Game Changers, which is crucial to his supposed status as The Woobie. The "person", of course, is trans F-to-M. How are we supposed to deal with this on the page...?

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WaterBlap Since: May, 2014
11th Dec, 2017 10:17:53 PM

Should we have a dedicated thread for reality shows or would the RL persons thread suffice?

I heavily edited Kitchen Nightmares a while back for troping RL persons — particularly from the episode featuring Amy's Baking Company. In May 2017, someone moved the content to a Recap/ page (courtesy link) and another person re-added the Henpecked Husband entry (to say nothing of adding indentation problems, natter, and other problems that were already revised).

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jameygamer Since: May, 2014
11th Dec, 2017 11:00:46 PM

If you wish to start a thread in the projects sides of the forums, do so. Probably a good idea.

Candi Since: Aug, 2012
12th Dec, 2017 06:47:22 AM

I'd recommend the Long Term/Perpetual Projects forum, what with too many studios' love of the reality show format.

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