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That may work for GOT. Here◊ is a possible contender for other media.
For Harry Potter either THIS or THIS◊?

If anyone's got a better one for Marvel Animation, I'd like that.

edited 23rd Apr '14 2:37:41 PM by ACW

Eh...the first Harry Potter image is nothing more than people cosplaying as Voldemort and Harry.

What about the second one?

The second one is still bad. Not much context to go on on top of being to dark.

How about this one with Dolores overlooking the Muggle trials [[img2.wikia.nocookie.net/_cb20101111061152/harrypotter/images/b/b1/Trial1.jpg]]?

edited 23rd Apr '14 3:40:15 PM by AustinDR

Dead link.

The problem with Moriarty is that even though it's selfish, possessive love, it's still love and the show is quite clearly framing it as such. It's not like Bellatrix's love for an evil ideal that Voldemort embodies and enables. This is a love for people, just not AS people.

And I mention Irene Adler because even though that persona was an act, that doesn't change the fact that the original characters of Irene and Moriarty are both being homaged by this singular character. Her last appearance to date even had another Irene reference even though we all know she's Moriarty rather than Irene. There's also nothing saying that Watson's view of her is 100% correct while Holme's is 100% wrong. When the Not So Different trope is in play, I'd expect him to have a better idea of what makes himself similar yet different from his enemy.

edited 23rd Apr '14 3:23:56 PM by CharlestonMan

Literature◊?

How about this [1]◊? Never mind. Trunchbull looks good, though.

For Monster.Stephen King, I was thinking about the scene of the Green Mile in which Wild Bill's threatening to kill either of the two sisters if they didn't comply to him, or maybe one of the scenes from It since It is probably one of the well-known of Stephen King's works. Here's a picture of Pennywise with little Georgie [2]◊.

Also, on Monster.Harry Potter, why not have the scene in which Voldemort was shown pointing his wand at an infant Harry when he tried to kill him as a means of stopping the prophecy from coming true?

edited 23rd Apr '14 3:35:51 PM by AustinDR

Possible caption for Trunchbull: "The hammer throw's her favorite." Was a line from the film, though I can't recall if it was in the book or not.

Not much context for Pennywise, but not bad.
BTW, around noon ET tomorrow I'll request the Sons Of Anarchy changes and the addition of the Trunchbull picture. BTW, I think I found a better Marvel animation one◊. If we even need a caption.

edited 23rd Apr '14 3:36:21 PM by ACW

Good one .

Marvel one? I'll request that one added too at noon.

Here’s a suggestion; Mick Taylor from the film Wolf Creek and its recently-released sequel, which are apparently sort of based on true stories. This may take a while.

Who is he?

Mick is an Australian serial killer, rapist and torturer- mostly of foreign tourists who come to visit the Outback.

What does he do?

The first film is about two British women, Liz and Kristy, and their Australian friend Ben, who are road tripping across Australia when they stop to visit Wolf Creek National Park to see a giant crater. They leave their car for the day, and when they get back to it, it won’t start. Mick Taylor shows up in his truck, and, seeming like a friendly, jovial Crocodile Dundee-type guy, offers to tow them back to his place, an abandoned mine, to fix their car. When they get there, he still seems normal, but gives them drugged water, which eventually causes them to go unconscious. Liz wakes up the next afternoon, tied up, to the sounds of Kristy screaming and crying. After Liz escapes, we see a bloodied Kristy getting tortured by Mick in his garage, as well as a skinned, decapitated corpse of another woman hanging up. Mick says that that woman had “lasted three months” presumably being subject to rape and torture the whole time, before dying. As Mick is about to rape Kristy, Liz interrupts him and manages to shoot him in the neck with his own rifle. Liz takes Kristy out to Mick’s truck, but Mick is close behind, and shoots at them with a shotgun. They manage to escape in the truck, but Mick continues to chase after them in another truck, until they manage to lose him by pushing their truck over a cliff. Liz returns to the mine, looking for Ben, and makes the gruesome discovery of dozens of mutilated corpses of Mick’s other victims. She goes into another garage and also discovers Mick's large stock of cars as well as an organized array of travellers’ possessions, including video cameras. She watches the playback on one of them and is horrified to see Mick "rescuing" a family of travellers, including a young girl, stranded at Wolf Creek in almost identical circumstances to her own. She also discovers that Mick had been following them for days, and had caused their car to stall to begin with. She gets into a car and attempts to start it, but Mick shows up in the back seat and stabs her through the driver's seat with a huge knife. After some bragging, he hacks three of Liz's fingers off in one swipe, then picks her up and headbutts her into near unconsciousness. He then severs her spinal cord with the knife, paralyzing her and rendering her, as he puts it, a "head on a stick." Mick then interrogates her as to Kristy's whereabouts until he would kill her offscreen. Kristy, meanwhile, had been running along the highway when a passing elderly motorist picks her up. As the old man tries to help her, he’s shot dead by a sniper rifle. Kristy attempts to flee in his car, but Mick manages to shoot her tire, causing her to crash. As she attempts to crawl from the wreckage, he coldly shoots and kills her. He then calmly puts her body in the truck of the wrecked car along with the motorist and torches the vehicle. Ben, who we haven’t seen since they were drugged, wakes up to find himself nailed to a mock crucifix in a mineshaft, with an aggressive, caged Rottweiler in front of him. He sees the corpse of another man nailed to a separate crucifix, whose lower half appears to have been eaten. Ben manages to escape, for real this time, and runs into some Swedish travelers who take him to safety. The ending 'reveals' that no trace of Kristy and Liz were found despite several major police searches.

The second film opens with Mick killing two Jerkass police officers for giving him a speeding ticket even though he was under the limit. He shoots one from a distance and paralyses the other the same way he did to Liz. As the officer begs for his life, saying that he “just wants to see his kid again”, Mick torches the cop car, burning the paralyzed man alive. He then tries a similar approach from the first movie on two camping German tourists, Rutger and Katarina, offering them a lift so that they don't get charged by the authorities for camping in a national park. When they decline to accept his “help” he stabs Rutger and attempts to rape Katarina. When Rutger sneaks up on Mick, he beats Rutger up and decapitates him in front of Katarina. Katarina is then knocked out, and wakes up to find herself tied up, and sees Mick cutting up Rutger’s corpse, making jokes to himself all the while. Katarina manages to escape and runs into the bush, pursued by Mick. A British surfer named Paul picks her up, and they’re both chased by Mick. Mick inadvertently shoots and kills Katarina while trying to kill Paul, and Paul manages to escape in his car. The next day, Paul runs out of fuel, and waves down a truck before realizing that Mick was behind the wheel. We see that Mick had killed the truck driver and stolen his rig. Another chase happens, and Paul once again manages to escape, and is taken in by two elderly good Samaritans. Mick somehow finds their house and demands that they give him Paul. When they refuse, he kills them both and takes Paul prisoner after pursuing him on a horse. Paul then finds himself tied to a chair in Mick’s torture dungeon. Before Mick can torture him, Paul decides to tell some jokes that manage to win Mick over, or at least entertain him somewhat. Impressed, Mick says he will let Paul go if they have an Australian pop quiz and he answers at least half of the questions right. He’ll ask Paul ten questions about Australian history, and if he gets any wrong, he’ll grind one of Paul’s fingers off with an electric grinder. Paul loses two fingers, one for not knowing the answer to a question, and another for simply not giving the answer that Mick wanted. Mick also implies that he wants to rape Paul, since he took away his “plaything” (Katarina). Paul does manage to escape a fourth time, hitting Mick in the face with a hammer. Paul flees the dungeon and an injured Mick gives chase through the lair. Paul comes across several dead bodies of tourists and finds a severely-malnourished woman, who is still alive. Some other stuff happens, but basically Mick finds Paul and, after declaring himself "the winner", head-butts Paul unconscious. Later, Paul wakes up on a footpath in a small town, wearing only his underpants and with wounds all over his body. He finds a piece of paper near him which reads "Loser". A series of title cards reveal that despite reporting a crazed gunman, Paul was named as a 'probable' suspect in the murder of several tourists, and during the investigation he suffered a complete mental breakdown. He was subsequently deported back to England and committed to an asylum.

In both films, Mick ends up as a Karma Houdini.

Is he heinous by the standards of the film?

Yes, Mick is the only villain. There are some Jerkasses here-and-there, but nothing else.

Does he have a Freudian Excuse or any redeeming qualities?

He does seem to love Australia, though this is mostly expressed through hatred towards other countries. He expresses a deep hatred for tourists, especially the British, but has absolutely no qualms with killing his fellow Australians; Ben, the elderly motorist, the police officers, the trucker and the elderly couple were all Australian, and Mick had no problem with killing or attempting to kill them. I really don’t think that it cuts it as a redeeming quality. Also, he has no Freudian Excuse, or any backstory.

Conclusion:

Mick Taylor is one of the worst human beings I’ve ever seen in anything, period. I have absolutely no reason to think that he doesn’t fit this trope 100%.

edited 23rd Apr '14 8:21:31 PM by Camberf

Yeah, the Marvel one's good.

I do think the Harry Potter one should be Umbridge, as she's who everyone thinks of when they think of a monstrous character in that series. Voldemort and Bellatrix are vile, but it's a very fantastic form of vileness that leaves them often overlooked in favor of Umbridge, who is basically a real-life villain in a fantastic setting.

Any one works; I'm just looking for a good one.
For Mick.

For straight up blood 'n' guts there's Fenrir mauling Lavender, but I'm not sure we'd want an Elite Mook as the face of the trope...

That, and it could be possibly too brutal to see.

We don't need to go into the Image Picking right now...I'd rather we handle content before that.

Mick is an easy, EASY keep

edited 23rd Apr '14 4:05:03 PM by Lightysnake

Wynn. Evil NSA man, eh? Insert your own joke here...

I can see what you mean about the Pennywise image. The only problem with the film was that it was a very watered down adaptation of this novel, so they couldn't really allow Pennywise to do that much onscreen. What about an image with It threatening to kill the Loser's Club members?

Thing to remember about these images is that they need to be more than a face and a caption. A villain just looking at someone menacingly or making a scary face isn't enough. They have to actually be doing something villainous in the picture. As for the Trunchbull picture, I say we keep looking, just because Trunchbull probably isn't the first person people think of when they think of this trope. Btw: here's one of Unicron◊ that might work for Monster.Transformers. Obligatory silly quote: "Dude really needs to cut back on the greasy foods."

edited 23rd Apr '14 5:46:09 PM by OccasionalExister

@Charleston Man

First of all "selfish, possessive love" has never been a disqualifier in this thread. Witness all the Stalker with a Crush types who have gone up. Secondly, and I really can't repeat this often enough, we wait until the season is over.

I'd also really question it "being framed as love" given that she herself denies it. She finds Holmes' mind unique and fascinating. This doesn't stop her from trying to hurt him and the people around him. She threatens to ruin his entire life and leave him broken if he doesn't let her win, while gloating about the fact that she's still smarter than he is.

If she at some point shows that her obsession with him has become actual love, we can cut her then. So far, however, nothing has happened to indicate that. I'm sure she'll be back for the season finale, so until then, let it go.

Finally, two things 1) it doesn't matter who she's homaging (really we don't care about what another series does with the character), and 2) it'd be a pretty lousy homage given that Irene was not a love interest in the original stories. Finally I'll reiterate, we are not talking about this until the season finale.

RE: Images

I wasn't trying to start a thread derail when I posted that image of Durge. Anyway, I don't think this is something we have to do all at once, particularly given that some things just aren't going to have an appropriate image.

edited 23rd Apr '14 6:02:32 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

I remember seeing Film Master Adam's review of wolf creek. I only saw a little bit of Mick, but that was enough. Even by Horror standards, no, even by Cm standards, he's a standout. He's like Krug but on a massive scale as he's been doing it for years. The only horror villain on par with him that I know of is the killer from that tapes movie.

eDIT: I JUST READ THAT THEY ARE MAKING PREQUEL NOVELS FOCUSING ON HIS PAST, should we wait and see if they give him a Freudian Excuse, or should we not bother counting them canon anyway?

sorry for caps lock my finger slipped.

edited 23rd Apr '14 6:56:30 PM by bobg