Warp That Cleanup

Oh wow. The examples should be about episodes, not characters, since characters don't have aesops.

I mean, Starlight is probably the most polarizing character in the entire show so her actions and episodes tended to get more negative attention than those of the other main characters... but yeah, we don't need an entire page dedicated to her.

It isn’t even just Starlight. The Dragon Ball subpage is dedicated to complaining about the characters too. I want to clean that up. I wouldn’t mind organizing the page and cleaning it to get rid of them.

When it comes to the episodes regarding Starlight, some of them should stay (in fairness, my main issue with Starlight is that her whole redemption arc is extremely problematic). However all the character aesops in the other subpages should be nuked. It was only one troper who was obsessed with hating her to the point he/she made a page dedicated to starlight.

For example, most of the general examples in this subpage is just complaining about the characters and the fandoms. We should nuke the page and keep the movie examples and episode ones and cut off the character bashing. I want to just copy and paste some examples on a sandbox and cut list the whole thing).

EDIT: Maybe the movie folders can go too because it's mostly complaining. I also checked over the Equestria Girls subpage and it was mostly complaining. I think all the subpages should be nuked (Except for only the episode subpages. Some examples in the episode page can stay but half of them should go because some of them come off as complaining and bashing).

The Disney examples attract complaining too. I want to re-organize the whole page and cut the subpage of Wreck It Ralph because it was too small for a page anyway and it attracted complaining. I want to cut the pages and rename the subpage to "Disney Animated Canon" to decrease the use to general examples and complaining.

I’ll do all of those pages by myself if that’s okay with anyone.

Edited by MsCC93 on Dec 18th 2021 at 12:09:14 PM

I checked the Dragonball and the Sailor Moon ones and they are just complaining about fandom reactions and characters.

I brought up the Mr. Enter examples in another thread a while back but I don't think we ever did anything about them. Here they are:

• The Mysterious Mr. Enter:
  • Cartoons are Serious Business.
  • Cartoons must be as stale and inoffensive or sickening sweet and tear-jerking as possible. If one person acts like a jerk, then "Worst. Series. Ever!" Everything should just pander to the mainstream.
  • Cartoons should be deep, meaningful and teach important life lessons. Any show's formula focusing chiefly on comedy deserve to be hated.
  • People who review cartoons on the internet are always right and should be worshiped.
  • The “Homer Badman” review: All rape accusations against celebrities are false; rape accusers are just petty opportunists and accused celebrities are innocent victims Convicted by Public Opinion.
  • While shitting on the left non-stop, make sure you take a few potshots at the right and you won't be favouring sides at all. It worked for South Park after all!
  • Using blatant straw man arguments to vilify and generalize your political opponents is wrong... but only if you’re a liberal. Center-right libertarians, on the other hand, are allowed to do so all they want!
    • All liberals are hysterical extremists or self-serving hypocrites comparable to literal hate groups. Right-wing extremists either don’t exist or aren’t worth talking about.
  • Comedy shows are never allowed to tackle serious topics. Either you're a comedy show or you're not, and must remain in that field at all times, no matter how one-note and repetitive it'll get.
    • Don't ever experiment with different ideas or expand your creativity. Why? Because an angry man not working in the cartoon industry said so, and he obviously knows best what everyone else wants.
  • It's not okay to review something based upon what the reviewer wanted it to be. That's bad. But doing so for cartoons? A-Okay!
  • You can make Apolitical games. You can't make apolitical cartoons.

What should be kept? What should be removed? A lot of these just seem like complaining about Mr. Enter. I'd go through them myself but due to the nature of this Darth item (and my own hatred for Enter) I cannot do it alone. Anyone willing to offer their thoughts?

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 22nd 2022 at 9:41:20 AM

I just don't feel comfortable allowing Warp That Aesop entries for reviewers because that can easily devolve into complaining about real people's opinions.

Edited by RustBeard on Jun 22nd 2022 at 10:35:31 AM

That and it can lead to flame wars if you don't agree with the aesops.

The Disney movie page have examples that need to be purged as well.

I just purged a lot of entries in the Dragonball page. It was full of character complaints.

I'm checking the Pokémon subpage. The main issue I found yet is that the anime and game examples are all mixed together.

I suggest splitting them into one for the games and one for the anime.

I think the Warp That Aesop page for Jem is pretty complain-y. Here's some examples that I think need to go:

• If someone accidentally discovers your secret identity, the best way to keep their silence is to let them in your band. After all, it's for the best and allows for more diversity in the group, even if they wind up relegated to the background after an episode or two.
• If you whine enough about your long-lost father and put yourself into enough dangerous situations with your naivete and recklessness, eventually the entire cast (and the writers) will drop everything to see that you get your way.

Perhaps we could get some help from Jem fans on cleaning it up.

Also from the same page:

• No one will ever let you forget that one time you kicked over a potted plant in anger.

This just seems to be a shoe-horned reference to the scene where Rio kicks over a potted plant in frustration. What should we do with this and the other two Jem entries?

Mr. Enter’s entry just got even more complain-y examples some days ago:

• Children should never go to school. In fact, it's better to make them disillusioned with school at an early age.
• "Mixed Messages: Swearing" video: It's also good to teach kids to swear at an early age.
• "Top 11 Worst Animation Clichés" video: The only good parents are those who have no flaws whatsoever. Otherwise, any parent who has any flaw, no matter how tiny that flaw is, is the worst parent ever!
  • It's a good idea to Grimmify Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs by killing off Snow White for real. Who cares if it will traumatize four-year-olds for life? The sooner they learn that people don't come back when they die, the better.
• "Turning Red" review: When you want to make an animated Period Piece, make sure the art style perfectly reflects the time period, or no one will know when your cartoon is supposed to take place.
  • And for that matter, your Period Piece needs to include every single disaster that happened during the time period in question, no matter how incongruous it is to the story. Escapism? What's that?
  • Hey, kids! It's May 2002! What are you doing behaving like the 13-year-olds you are? It's just a few months after 9/11, dammit!

Thoughts?

Mr. Enter: Toronto is in the United States.

Reality: What does 9/11 have to do with being a teen in Toronto? Toronto is not in the United States.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Oct 3rd 2022 at 12:59:16 PM

[Ignore this]

Edited by TheRandomSurfboard on Oct 4th 2022 at 2:02:36 PM

I think the entire web original sub-page deserves a cleaning, especially in both the Mr. Enter and Channel Awesome sections, which are both full of complaining.

Edited by DongwaChan on Oct 5th 2022 at 8:13:06 AM

My suggestion is that we limit this page to talking about story elements used in these reviews. On that ground, Mr Enter to my knowledge has no story or fictional persona and should not be present.

Can we actually make that decision in this thread, or do we have to take it to TRS for that?

Agreed. a Mid-Review Sketch Show is fair game for warping aesops, but not reviews that are just opinions.

The Warp That Aesop page for The Simpsons has this example:

• "Lisa the Vegetarian": Forcing your beliefs on others is wrong. Tricking people into complying with your beliefs by giving them something other than what they paid for is perfectly okay.

Regarding the Mr. Enter examples upthread, I think all the Turning Red ones can be cut. It's just bashing his memetic "Turning Red didn't address 9/11" comment, but none of those things are aesops.

I'm on the fence. It's a bit unfair (people have pointed out that the episode does portray Apu as a hypocrite in several instances), but at the same time, this is Warp That Aesop.

Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on Oct 18th 2022 at 2:56:26 AM

I think for Darth, it's pretty standard.

The entry for The Price Is Right doesn't sit right with me because it straight-up admits it's about the fanbase instead of the show.

• The Price Is Right: O.K., some of these Warped Aesops come more from Golden Road.net and the Fan Dumb than the actual show itself, but since there's no article on that site yet, and since they're so close to each other:
  • If your name isn't Bob Barker, Janice Pennington, Johnny Olson, Rod Roddy, Mark Goodson, Bill Todman, Marc Breslow, Paul Alter, or Roger Dobkowitz, you'll never succeed.
  • When Mark Goodson, Bob Barker, Roger Dobkowitz, Marc Breslow, Paul Alter, or R. Brian DiPirro make a change to the show, it's always good. But when Syd Vinnedge, Mike Richards, Drew Carey, or Bart Eskander make a change, it's always bad.
    • And on a related side note, on Wheel of Fortune, everything Merv Griffin does is good, and everything Harry Friedman does is bad.
  • Drew Carey's 100% justified poor execution of Terry Kniess's perfect bid on December 16, 2008 and the subsequent introduction of Nintendo Hard setups and new prizes to make it harder for the Fan Dumb to memorize everything makes criminal felony harassment of a previously well-liked staffer perfectly justified.
  • Go ahead and fuck a much-younger model, get sued by that model, and fire everyone who sides with her or that otherwise makes you butthurt. Oh yeah, and while you're at it, go take away a beloved announcer's camera time. As long as you're still a role model on-camera, your fanbase will always forgive you!

That's just ranting about real people doing real stuff. Totally uncalled for. Cut, cut, cut.

I was checking WarpThatAesop.Western Animation and I noticed a small trend of "warped aesops" that are just stating some kind of Artistic License found in a show. Not to mention a few cases of justifying natter.