Wick Check Project

I've noticed something like that, too, where many examples are about evil characters with light colors or don't explain how they're evil.

In any case, I have listed the relevant contents of all 90 wicks.

90 Wicks, I thought you needed to list every page Light Is Not Good is on?

No? Only the square root of the number, or 50 if the square root is small.

So if there are 7011 uses of Light Is Not Good, we need to do 83 wick checks?

Also think we should do one of Always Chaotic Evil too, the Chaotic Evil part seems to occasionally confuse people even if its nowhere near as bad as Light Is Not Good?

Edited by Monsund on Feb 3rd 2024 at 3:23:28 AM

Yes; with tropes this large, we need to check the square root to get a clear image of how the trope is used across the wiki.

That said, while Light Is Not Good likely suffers from similar issues as all the other "physical attribute + character trait" tropes, I'm not convinced that "the vast majority of examples". Looking at the wick check sandbox, there's plenty of the expected ZCEs, confusion with tropes such as Bright Is Not Good and Cute Is Evil, and some which are simply incorrect, but it doesn't that bad. Though I'll see how it looks when the wicks are organized.

I feel a lot of Overlap with Light Is Not Good and Villain in a White Suit.

I know Wolfenstein: Enemies is one case of it again, being used to just refer to an evil looking person wearing a white outfit, I'll look for some more if the thread is ok with it?

Edited by Monsund on Feb 3rd 2024 at 9:56:29 AM

All tropes on Wick Check Project under "Tropes Needing Wick Checks" have been sandboxed and are ready for their wick check. If anyone needs to get their sandbox filled, pm me or try the excel wick import tool yourself.

Edited by eroock on Feb 16th 2024 at 10:47:35 PM

Sandbox.Homophobia Index Comparison is complete. Conclusions on the results?

EDIT: Country Matters' wick check is complete.

Iron Animation : In the TRS Queue, be sure to include a link to the wick check you did for Bad Cop/Incompetent Cop.

EDIT 2: I have put Light Is Not Good Wick Check in the Wick Check Project, after amending the categories based on feedback above:

• Light is associated with evil
• Evil character is associated with white (e.g. Villain in a White Suit, White Hair, Black Heart)
• Bright colors are associated with evil (Bright Is Not Good)
• Other misuse
• ZCE
• N/A

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Feb 19th 2024 at 7:39:35 AM

I'm suddenly having an urge to send Suddenly Voiced back into TRS after sending a notifier for low context/possible misuse. I'll start a wick check soon.

Hoping to actually make it Trivia (it's about a character finally receiving a voice role, but it appears the Suddenly Speaking splitoff from the last TRS did not catch as much steam?)

Edited by Berrenta on Feb 20th 2024 at 8:59:50 AM

Okay, can I start it?

I tried contacting Iron Animation about a draft post in TRS Queue for Bad Cop/Incompetent Cop, which describes the results of a wick check that has never been published. They have not responded.

For some reason the running total for Sandbox.Characterization Tags Repair Prep didn't add up... I counted 133 wicks, but there should be 136. That means 3 are missing. I've checked that none of the redirects or Main wick are omitted.

EDIT: All fixed!

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Feb 25th 2024 at 10:36:54 AM

I found Sandbox.Gender Flip Wick Check, which needs updating as the number of wicks has ballooned. Right now, we need at least 74 wicks, while there are currently 65.

EDIT: I think the Wick Check Project's completed folder needs to be cleaned up for currently running TRS threads. Basso Profundo and Esoteric Happy Ending were on there, despite the former having concluded and the latter having reached a crowner to decide the new name.

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Feb 25th 2024 at 10:40:22 AM

^ Added 30 more wicks to Sandbox.Gender Flip Wick Check for checking.

I'm planning on doing a Robot Girl wick check as I feel this trope is simply being used for any cybernetic/artificial female regardless of attractiveness (in-universe of otherwise), to the extent that it feels like a case of People Sit on Chairs at times.

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Mar 1st 2024 at 1:06:11 AM

The first line at Robot Girl implies it leans on fanservice, but I'm sure it's actually used as "female Ridiculously Human Robots".

Yeah, and already we have female examples of Ridiculously Human Robots listed on that page. I'm suggesting the following but I wanna do a wick check before doing so

• Get rid of the trope completely and merge examples with Ridiculously Human Robots, Fembot (and maybe also Sexbot) when appropriate
• Rename and repurpose the trope: I'm suggesting "Artificial Attractiveness", and the laconic/definition is "A cybernetic/artificial-made character who is considered attractive" (given that Robot Girl also includes not just robots but cyborgs, Artificial Humans, Artificial Intelligences and Virtual Ghosts with female on-screen or holographic avatars), and this attractiveness has to be in-universe.

That's fine, but the wick check goes first.

Nvm.

Edited by callmeamuffin on Mar 2nd 2024 at 4:49:54 AM

That's kind of why I said I wanna do the wick check first before going forward with those suggestions

I'm writing this in relation to a potential TRS case regarding Fanboy and Fangirl, but I want to ask two technical questions.

Background: I originally wanted to ask the tropability of Otaku, but eventually the trope of Fanboy was pulled into this discussion, and Fangirl was pulled into this a few replies later. There's consensus that there're tropability issues with all three tropes, but since parts of Otaku may refer to a media stereotype a la Stereotypical Nerd (which is tropable), I think I'd prioritize Fanboy and Fangirl first.

That said,

1. Do you think, in this case, should there be one TRS case regarding both, or each trope should be raised separately?
2. If a single TRS should be made to both tropes, should I have the two trope's wick checks put on the same page or separate pages?

Thanks for the answers in advance!

I noticed that the tropes on Wick Check Project under "Current projects" are lacking examples. Shall I go and top up the examples to the expected limit as I did for the "Tropes Needing Wick Checks " or shall I leave this task with the sponsors who already started the wick checks?

Leave them alone, I think. A lot of us like to get the wicks as we do the checks, not in one batch at the start (I just scroll up and down).

Bit of a pedantic question, but how would I go about finishing wick checks that only have the number of checked wicks on it, rather than the whole number? Obviously I wouldn't just scrap and start over, but for unfinished checks like Informed Judaism and Refuge in Audacity, would I just collect the number of remaining wicks and add both those and pre-checked ones through a randomizer, or do I just need to randomize what's left? How to Do a Wick Check doesn't seem to have an answer.

Edited by Coachpill on Mar 9th 2024 at 2:07:22 PM

I think you'd just randomize what's left. No need to complicate things.

I'm thinking about starting a wick check for Fake Difficulty. I was checking out examples of Fake Difficulty and I can't help but feel like some of the examples are misused. Some of the examples even state that they are invoked or done deliberately, in which case they immediately disqualify from being this trope. I once asked the "Is this an example?" forum if an example from RollerCoaster Tycoon is really an example. The response I got stated that Fake Difficulty has a long history of being used for both happenstance and intentional difficulty. They also said that the example I brought up comes across as someone complaining about a change they didn't like. There was also an attempt at revising Fake Difficulty from a long time ago that fell through.

It's going to be difficult checking 50 examples to see if they are used correctly, because I'm not going to be familiar with all the games that are going to be involved in this check. If you guys think that it's about time we reexamine Fake Difficulty, let me know.