Divine, good, eldritch abominations?

All Eldritch abominations I see are dark or evil, are there any divine abominations?

The first thing that comes to mind are the biblical angels. They're really weird looking, powerful and often quite scary, but they're supposed to be "good guys" in-universe.

Revelation 4:6-8

The ones in Ezekiel chapter 1 are even freakier. Revelation is also chock full of other abominations besides angels, both good and wicked.

in case anyone is wondering https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+1&version=KJV

Let see: the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass. And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings. were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces. The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four. And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up."

Yeah, they are full lovecrafnian

Regarding the Bible, there's also God himself. As indicated when Moses talks to him, he is either so powerful or incomprehensible that simply looking at his face would kill a mere mortal.

Yes; divinity is subjective. We humans are abominations to ants, gods to our pet dogs, peons to our cats, strangers to our neighbors, and evil reptilian kitten-eaters from another planet to our political opposites.

Just a thing, power dosent make divinity, otherwise we will build altats to nucler bombs

Also the dark of elderich abomination is misunderstanding of lovecraft, while him being a horror writer means they are dangerous for us, they just exist, Cthulhu is naping and it dosent seen to notice we are here, azatoth is just and idiot, the only one who is "evil" is Nyarlothep, in part because its the most "Human" of all.

How much of an idiot can Azathoth be when he's the ultimate eldritch abomination?

Not to mention that if you believe what's written about him in various in-universe tomes (admittedly generally by lunatic cultists ), Cthulhu is actually a positive figure, waiting for humanity to evolve further so he can guide our own ascension into EldritchAbominations. It's just that we're not ready yet, and some complete idiots keep trying to wake him up early...

As for Azathoth...it is completely mindless because it is pure chaos, moving and writhing in all directions at once without goal, structure or form. It's not so much a god (elder or otherwise) as a force of nature given a name.

edited 17th Apr '16 6:07:44 AM by MattStriker

Mantorok from Eternal Darkness. A force of death that corrodes the universe but is not malevolent towards humanity as such. It uses its magic to provide building materials, calls forth game for and helps grow crops for people who love him.

Just how "good" he is, is somewhat ambiguous, the creatures aligned to him still crave human flesh and induce mild insanity on all they gaze upon, but three of his four counterparts immediately plan to molest humanity something fierce when they join him on Earth and he sets in motion the events that prevent them from doings so.

Christianity (and Abrahamic religion at large) is essentially an Unbuilt Cosmic Horror. Humanity is the spawn of the most powerful Eldritch Abomination in existence. Because we were made in this being's image, we are actually mutually relatable to each other, and he's out to protect us from eviller creatures. He even has his own half-human abomination to save us.

In my work, there's a being called Metatron, who's a super-computer powered by the soul of a deceased god. He's basically a Cosmic Horror from the perspective of The Legions of Hell. He's so sophisticated, he actually can comprehend Eldritch Abominations-which terrifies them to no end. Since Evil Cannot Comprehend Good, he comes across as very alien to them as well.

Some people seem to misunderstand eldritch abominations. A divine and good eldritch abomination is not the point. They are beyond our understanding, beyond our perceptions, beyond our morals. They are not beings categorized by tendrils, wings, and whatnot. They are beings categorized as being incomprehensible. We, as humans, categorize them. They are not inherently good nor bad, what they do, is based on our perceptions. An abomination wishes to feed off humanity, and we label that thing as evil. I'm sure, if the plants were sentient, when you stepped on them, pulled their roots out, torn off petals, they would call you evil. But you are beyond them. As these abominations are beyond you. You have ability to do whatever you want with any kind of creature, but an eldritch abomination is not a Lovecraftian creature... it's a creature from beyond us. Humanity isn't important, elves aren't important, whatever your race is, they are not important. We are unimportant insects, plants, rocks, whatever. They are the ones that step on us, and do not have a second thought about it. They are the ones being worshiped, but not caring about it. They are the ones that may feast on us, may help us, or may hinder us. It doesn't seem that way to them, only to us.

Didn't he popularize it, though?

Yes, but he didn't invent the concept.

He is the trope codifier for the genre but indeed he didnt invent the concept

For one, not all of Lovecraft's creatures were eldritch abominations. Some were just alien, or advanced, or frog men. He described them all as being horrifyingly ugly and all but not many outside of the Outer Gods were inherently beyond comprehending.

And I maintain that Mantorok is a good example of a good one. It's inherently destructive, dangerous and playing around with it is a good way to get killed or at least have a very unpleasant day but does nothing to hurt people if not provoked and in fact does much to help, some things directly, some things that may be incidental or in service of ulterior motives but helpful on the surface all the same.

He is an intangible being whom have omnipotence over humanity, and take human forms. He is an aspect of the highest powers in the universe, with said powers creating the universe, existing both everywhere and outside time and space. He has planned out mankind's fate since the start, and has been venerated by them. And one day, he will usher in the end of the world in accordance with the creator's wishes

Now, who am I talking about; Jesus Christ, or Nyarlathotep the Crawling Chaos?

edited 19th May '16 3:15:48 AM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

I was wondering about that on the page for it. I don't know, is it really a good idea to describe God as an eldritch abomination? "Eldritch abomination" is kind of negative. Well okay, God was famously wrathful in the Old Testament, but He cleaned up His act in the New one.

Depending on one's understanding of The Bible or their specific beliefs, not all of those statements would apply to Jesus.

People who say that forget the wrath present in Revelation.

edited 19th May '16 7:02:37 PM by shiro_okami

not all denomination acept revelation as canon.

And let face it, revelation does look like lovecraft induce madness

Ancient religion tends to be an unbuilt trope to lovecraft. The most ancient religions tended to assume that the gods really didn't give a shit about us and operated on Blue-and-Orange Morality.

There's some Seinfeld Is Unfunny with regards to old-testament portrayal of YHWH-he was actually considered subversively kind at the time. For example, in Abraham's culture, human sacrifice was pretty common (so YHWH's request for Abraham to sacrifice Isaac wouldn't have seemed unusual at all. What would have seemed unusual was stopping it from happening).

Many do however, consider it canonical, so it's still a valid point.

edited 23rd May '16 7:34:25 PM by Protagonist506

Even at the time, some considered the idea that a being such as the Abrahamic God was "good" to be rather dubious, ie the Gnostics, who found a convenient way to sidestep the problem of evil by postulating that material world was the creation of a tyrannical demiurge posing as the creator.

And aparenly many consider jesus christ being REAL god why the old testament being a fake, so yeah people thought a lot

Zoroastrianism: good (or a decent simulacrum of it) vs bad (a very convincing simulacrum of it) and weird as all get-up all over. Seriously, if ever you wondered how the Bible got so weird, the answer usually is "because people nicked it off the back of Zoroastrianism when it wasn't looking".

The bridge between Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Abrahamic beliefs... and the gloriously complex contradiction that is Hinduism. Speaking of Hinduism, if you want Blue, Orange and every philosophy in-between, including kitchen sinks full of mind screwy goodness... go there.