Maleficent Sequel

They already ruined all characters in my eyes

That's the thing: she didn't sentence Aurora to death in this version. She did in the original, but Merryweather was able to dial it back to what we ultimately got. Here? She was going to inflict what Merryweather did from the word go.

No, she sentenced Aurora to a Fate Worse than Death in this one. An eternal and unbreakable sleep, never to awaken. Never to live, only to die if her father found the strength to murder his own child, and the only cure a false hope that both Maleficent and Stefan knew would never arise.

She cursed Stefan to a decade and a half of desperately struggling against what he knows to be a futile hope before the inevitable crushes his soul and breaks his spirit forever, and cursed Aurora to a short life capped by an eternity of slumber until such a time that someone cares enough to pull her plug.

Remember that the "True Love's Kiss" escape clause was never supposed to be fulfilled because neither Maleficent nor Stefan actually believed in such a thing; the escape clause was added as an extra dose of f*ck you.

edited 17th Jun '15 1:05:33 PM by TobiasDrake

Agreed. What Maleficient did here was arguably worse since it was dangling false hope before Stefan and then watch it slowly but surely crumble.

Still reduced the older story's three protagonists in favor of putting the spotlight on others who were turned either impotent or evil while sticking the antagonist in a pair of leather pants that squeezed out all of her personality.

Still, the movie had interesting CGI monsters and special effects. Disney would have been better served using my El Santo inspired pitch involving Maleficent battling Diabolic Khaos in the new millennium but I can't fault them for making a sequel.

Also, I'd love to see a movie with thirty seconds of exposition followed by a ninety minute action sequence with great choreography. That sounds really hard to do and would probably be really dumb, but I could probably enjoy it if pulled off and no one made any pretensions that it wasn't just a stupidly awesome film with an Excuse Plot\Waste of Time Story. It could be the next Snakes on a Plane.

Mad Max: Fury Road is probably the closest you'll ever get to that.

Yup. And it is GLORIOUS. Fury Road is basically George Miller saying to all other Hollywood action movie directors, "This is how it should be done."

On top of those delicious practical effects, you have no idea how relieved I was to find out that the narrative planted by Eve Ensler was unfounded and on no level is Fury Road about smashing the Patriarchy.

edited 18th Jun '15 6:09:20 PM by ElkhornTheDowntrodden

Thinking it over, it could still be done.

After the release of the Maleficent movie, MsChif organizes a gathering in Inferno for the purpose of mocking it. The laughter causes Maleficent to awaken and rampage across Inferno for being stingy when she called upon all the powers of hell, but upon seeing the film, redirects her wrath toward Disney. Realizing at least one of her friends is at Disney World, MsChif grabs Delirious and chases after Maleficent.

I have a script to write.

Actually, the movie had a great feminist message. But yeah, we get it, you hate feminism.

It's all about colonialism and imperialism.

All about white male hegemony, and the way a dominant group uses power to hurt a minority group; the way powerful men are able to hurt women.

The way that's really fucked up and worth fighting against.

And in telling that story it has an enormous cast of women with their own stories and agency and it takes them seriously without objectifying them.

Oh, that movie again. I didn't like it, but whatever.

I remember someone talking about how the movie showed the evils of hyper masculinity and I didn't buy it, because I don't consider fanaticism and a cult of personality synonymous or even especially related to masculinity. In fact, I was kind of insulted, as someone who kinda sorta doesn't hate men.

The way you explained it's feminist message here actually does make sense though, if people mean in that context, yes it does have a pretty strong female empowerment message. Feminist means equal treatment as possible as I understand it, so the movie itself still wasn't, as all the antagonists were men. That in of itself isn't bad in my book but I didn't like it, didn't hate it but the obviously sped up camera scenes turned me off, as did the cheap Norse mythology and even if I did like it, still wasn't quite a 90 minute action scene of a movie.

My own script won't be like that, since I'm going for 'pro wrestlers fight evil B-Movie', which I'd also like to see more of, but It'd at least be interesting to see someone seriously pull it off.

No it doesn't. A movie which takes a story which was already full of great female characters and ruins them all while depowering the mistress of all evil is not and will never be feminist

We were talking about Mad Max: Fury Road having a female empowerment message(which is not synonymous with feminist, but I touched on that too).

You didn't touch on anything especially well, but it's off topic anyway, so whatever.

edited 19th Jun '15 5:56:58 AM by unnoun

That's the most galling thing to me, after the Maleficent whitewashing. Flora, Fauna and Merryweather were for all practical purposes the heroes of the original. How often do you see old ladies being heroes in their own right? So naturally, they were shit all over to make Jolie look better.

At least they inexplicably changed their names on top of it all, so I can distance them from the original versions more easily.

How do you make someone with a name like that a good guy? :S

It's possible the name doesn't mean the same thing to fairies as to humans.

Contrived.

what's contrived?

Ed Skrein will be playing a villain in the sequel

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/ed-skrein-maleficent-sequel-exclusive-1202756340/

It's a fine fun little vehicle for Angelina Jolie to play an extremely popular female villainess.

I don't mind fractured fairy tales.

Even fractured Disney Tales, which is 90% of Once Upon A Time.

But this is kind of an odd movie to make a sequel to. Still, unnecessary sequels with Angelina Jolie are unnecessary sequels with Angelina Jolie. Maybe they can have her fight Cruella Deville.

(sees post above)

Okay, nevermind.

I absolutely hated the first one. The part that really lost my goodwill was making the fairies, who were pretty much the real heroes of the animated film, into incompetent and harmful characters.

That was my problem but for different reasons.

The movie was being hailed as a feminist update....except it already had three feminist leads.

Okay, I discovered there's another thread for the Maleficent film, here.

Which should we use? The other one hasn't been posted in since 2015.

edited 23rd Apr '18 10:01:13 PM by jameygamer