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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#1: Apr 30th 2015 at 2:50:00 AM

I've noticed that some work pages for serial works have what appears to be an artifact from the old days: a folder for "Trope-based episodes". See for illustration pages like Trope Based Episodes, Star Trek: Voyager, and Star Trek: The Next Generation. I think they're problematic for several reasons:

  • They encourage Zero Context Examples, listing only the name of the episode;
  • They are redundant to the Recap/ pages;
  • Taking a single trope as encapsulating all of an episode is a pretty subjective assertion to begin with;
  • The format doesn't seem to be standardized for the wiki as a whole, which favors alphabetization in trope lists on work pages. It also makes it harder to find and add tropes.

I would therefore suggest that we phase out this formatting and re-integrate them into the alphabetical system. What does everyone else think?

edited 30th Apr '15 2:55:55 AM by Morgenthaler

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#2: Apr 30th 2015 at 5:36:58 AM

I agree with all your points and especially #1 and #3.

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#3: Apr 30th 2015 at 12:22:29 PM

Saying it's the theme of an episode is fine, but the examples should be expanded further so they give justification. Obviously a Time Travel episode has Time Travel, but using "The Woobie" probably requires more detail.

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#4: Apr 30th 2015 at 12:56:47 PM

Time Travel from when to when, what "speed", and what method?

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#5: May 1st 2015 at 11:22:19 AM

It's an artifact from before it became standard to list tropes alphabetically instead of dividing it among a dozen folders. I've seen some listed as "tropes used once" and "tropes used multiple times" and the editing and organizational problems by using those kind of folders is a nightmare. Trope based episodes is not quite as bad, but I don't think it is as useful a division as it should be.

We have character pages for character tropes, recap pages for individual episodes, and there is slowly building some seasonal trope folders and even entire sub-pages (where it's okay to have repeating tropes because you are isolating when it occurs).

edited 1st May '15 11:54:49 AM by KJMackley

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#6: Jun 19th 2015 at 9:23:42 AM

Does this topic require more discussion? I think we're in agreement that the content of these folders, which are themselves redundant, could by and large be migrated to the Recap pages.

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#7: Jun 26th 2015 at 5:10:34 AM

Or even possibly the work's main trope list.

Should this thread be moved to short-term projects?

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#8: Jul 21st 2015 at 7:02:35 AM

Sounds like a plan.

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#9: Sep 4th 2015 at 5:02:53 PM

Moved to Short Term Projects.

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#10: Sep 10th 2015 at 7:41:46 AM

Alright, I've fixed the folders on Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: The Original Series, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek: Enterprise, Supernatural, and Smallville. If I find any more, I'll post about it here.

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