Thanks :3.

Well anyways as i stated in my previous post was that someone pointed out how crowner activity would be needed due to redefining and i want to see what y'all think

I just removed a Complacent Gaming Syndrome example from YMMV.Fanfiction Dot Net because it's not a video game, but I think the only example that's actually valid is Scrappy Mechanic. Fandom Rivalry is about fans of two works, not userbases, and the Memetic Mutation entries are thinly-veiled complaints. Are we even supposed to have YMMV pages for sites that host user-generated content?

I can see them belonging. But they seem easy to slip into real people talk

Is Equestria Daily a page that can have a YMMV page? That website is just a MLP news site, it's not really original content.

Every work page can have YMMV subpage, so your question would be if it should have a work page period.

Bumping the Website and Platform question.

I mean there a lot of websites that have locked YMMV pages but have ok normal pages, like Reddit and 4chan. Granted EQD isn't a social media site but it is not really a creative work.

Those were cut individually for using the userbase or owners as a subject instead of the content.

Edited by Amonimus on Dec 17th 2023 at 2:22:52 PM

Yeah, some of EQD's trope the users or owners and not the site, but I think some might be ok. Here are the ones that I think fall under "user troping".

• Fandom Rivalry: At one point in time, the site had a ban on all Sonic the Hedgehog-related content (though it would seem that ban has since been lifted), much to the ire of Sonic fans who also happened to MLP fans too. This is likely is due to the fact that the Sonic fanbase (especially in the early 2010's) has a terrible reputation amongst greater nerd culture, and many bronies - mindful of their own poor reputation - go out of their way to deny any association with them. Same thing with furries, though there is some overlap between them and Sonic fans.
  This is troping Sonic/MLP fans and not the site's content

• Germans Love David Hasselhoff: Equestria Daily regularly reports on new episodes of the Japanese dub being released. You'd think that this is because the show is popular in Japan, but as it turns out, the Japanese dub is actually more popular outside of Japan than it is in Japan, which is due to the show being overshadowed by a plethora of other shows featuring the same themes.
  While this is a normal example, the issue is that this applies to the Japanese dub and not EQD itself, it should be on the page of MLP itself.

• Never Live It Down:
  • For a while, fan fictions submitted to the site were subject to some very biased pre-readers, who accepted things based on their own personal preferences; many good stories were rejected simply for having Les Yay shipping, being human in Equestria stories, or a myriad of other reasons that aren't stated in the rules. And, of course, there were pre-readers accepting anything they happened to like or that was written by someone they knew. The mods are much stricter now about pre-readers actually following the rules, but they still get a lot of hate as though the change never occurred.
  This is troping the people running the site
  • Creators who get subpar work featured on the site (either due to submitting it without realizing it isn't that good, or due to someone else submitting it for them) are going to end up the subject of mockery due to a Colbert Bump resulting in a flood of negativity.
  This is troping creators, plus it isn't an example as many creators can improve their work and thus would not be primarily known for low quality work, they can live it down.
  • Equestria Daily is forever associated with making the infamous "Background pony" joke about Applejack, that and the joke later on about Applejack's implied dead parents, to the point where commentators were arguing whether or not people should feel sorry for fictional characters. This resulted with the joke being removed.

• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Many commenters' reaction to the comment system switching from IntenseDebate to Disqus.
  This is troping the site's users.

Should something like Website.Keenspot be in Platform/ instead of Website/?

Its primary purpose is to just host webcomics

I mean, hosting stuff is what platforms do, so yes

Is there a source code for Furaffinity before it was cutlisted?

I don't know, but I would try seeing if it was archived then starting from scratch. Granted I have the free time for such a hypothetical

So uh Above Top Secret

It tropes real people

Being apparently nothing more but a conspiracy forum, I don't believe we need it.

Someone should cutlist it

You’re right. Is more consensus to cut needed?

Edited by Lymantria on Dec 25th 2023 at 10:38:14 AM

I’m fully in favor of cutting.

Through that page, I also discovered we have a page for David Icke, which begins with a quote from Cracked making fun of him. Given that he’s seemingly only published books on conspiracy theories and the page exists primarily to make fun of him and trope his insane theories, should we give his page the boot as well?

Edited by jandn2014 on Dec 25th 2023 at 6:09:15 AM

I'm more in favor of clean it up, maybe lock it. He is still a creator with works that have tropes (I'm relatively sure) and theories themselves if in a work can be troped, but then again we run into the same issue as Above Top Secret. If there's a way to clean it up I'm voting for it but if not I wouldn't mind seeing the page go

I think the OP can be updated during this part:

A Web Site That Is Not Tropable Can Sometimes Be Repurposed: It may have a place as a Useful Notes page, or serve as an index if it hosts a lot of works that we do trope.

Add Platform/ to that

I'm gonna have to agree on that

Hey so uh

It's been brought up before but I don't think it had much consensus on the overall thing

What happens with websites that also server as video games, mobile port or not

I mean, I have yet to see a .Io game that's in the website namespace and those tend to start out as websites (not so sure about slither.io) so does that mean that others such as Akinator and Lioden would also go in the video game namespace?

A video game gets an article in the VideoGame namespace. There's nothing special or unique about browser-based games in this regard, assuming someone can be bothered to put in the effort to write them up.

The site that hosts the games is not tropable in and of itself, unless it acts as a developer or publisher of the content, and then it can be troped as we would any other developer or publisher.

I'm in favour of cutting David Icke, unless he's also written fiction (insert the obvious joke here). Don't see a point having a creator page for a non-fiction author.

Or since his stuff has after all been pretty central to the Reptilian Conspiracy trope, I guess it could be made into a Useful Notes page.

Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on Dec 29th 2023 at 1:29:30 AM

A Creator article made solely to complain about or make fun of a controversial person should be trashed.

Looking at the page once more. It may have hope for salvation but cleaning will certainly be required. The most obvious thing being the quote but the description could also use some rewording and probably the tropes too, which could be applied to the theories but also the man himself, thus possibly running afoul on troping real people