Does Tv Tropes need more articles on fine artists?

I've been looking around the website, and after visiting the Small Reference Pools section on art, I was surprised at how dearth the selection of articles on fine artists and illustrators is on this website. Here is a list of more than a few notable names missing;

70 Notable Artists from 1665 to 1885

Spain

Juan Ramirez 1680-1740 Jose Luzan 1710-1785 Luis Melendez 1716-1780 Antonio Gonzalez Velazquez 1723-1793 Francisco Bayeu 1734-1795 Jose Del Castillo 1737-1793 Mariano Salvador Maella 1739-1819 Ramon Bayeu 1746-1793 Luis Paret Y Alcazar 1746-1799 Francisco Goya 1746-1828 Antonio Carnicero 1748-1814 Asensio Julia 1748-1830 Agustin Esteve 1753-1830 Zacarias Gonzalez Velazquez 1763-1834 Vincente Lopez Portana 1772-1850 Eugenio Lucas 1824-1870

Italy

Guiseppe Maria Crespi 1665-1747 Alessandro Magnasco 1667-1749 Giovanni Battista Tiepolo 1696-1770 Pietro Longhi 1702-1785 Corrado Giaquinto 1703-1765 Francesco Guardi 1712-1793 Giovanni Battista Piranesi 1720-1778 Giacomo Ceruti 1698-1767 Giovanni Domenico Tiepolo 1727-1804 Lorenzo Baldissera Tiepolo 1736-1776 Paolo Borroni 1749-1819

England

Sir Joshua Reynolds 1723-1792 George Stubbs 1724-1806 Thomas Gainsborough 1727-1788 George Romney 1734-1802 Thomas Rowlandson 1756-1827 William Blake 1757-1827 J.M.W. Turner 1775-1851 John Constable 1776-1837

France

Jean Ranc 1674-1735 Michel-Ange Houasse 1680-1730 Antoine Watteau 1684-1721 Francois Boucher 1703-1770 Louis-Michel Van Loo 1707-1771 Jean-Baptise Greuze 1725-1805 Jean-Honore Fragonard 1732-1806 Jean-Baptiste Le Prince 1733-1781 Jacques Louis David 1748-1825 Pierre Prud'Hon 1758-1823 Antoine-Jean Gros 1771-1836 Jean-Auguste Dominique Ingres 1780-1867 Theodore Gericault 1791-1824 Camille Corot 1796-1875 Eugene Delacroix 1798-1863 Honcre Daumier 1808-1879 Edouard Manet 1823-1883

Germany

Anton Raphael Mengs 1728-1779 Juan Andres Mercklein ?-1797 John Henry Fuseli (Swiss) 1741-1825 Caspar David Friedrich 1774-1840 Johann Nepomuk Kaspar (Swiss) 1822-1885

United States

John Singleton Copley 1738-1815 Charles Willson Peale 1741-1827 Gilbert Stuart 1755-1828 John Trumbull 1756-1843 Raphael Peale 1774-1825 Rembrandt Peale 1778-1860 Washington Allston 1779-1843 Thomas Sully 1783-1872 John James Audubon 1785-1851 Samuel F.B. Morse 1791-1872 George Catlin 1796-1872 Thomas Cole 1801-1848 William Sidney Mount 1807-1868

84 Notable Artists from 1375 to 1594/1600

German

Hans Multscher 1400 1467 Stephan Lochner 1410 1451 Meister Francke 1424 1435 Lucas Moser 1431 1440 Conrad Witz 1433 1447 Michael Wolgemut 1434 1519 Michael Pacher 1435 1498 Rueland Frueauf the Elder 1440/50 1507 Veit Stoss 1447 1533 Martin Schongauer 1450 1491 Hans Pleydenwurff 1451 1473 Hans Holbein the Elder 1460 1524 Bernard Strigel 1460-1528 Grunewald 1470 1528 Albrecht Durer 1471 1528 Lucas Cranach the elder 1472 1553 Hans Burgkmair 1473 1531 Jorg breu 1475 1537 Hans Seuss Von Kulmbach 1480 1522 Albrecht Altdorfer 1480 1538 Hans Schaufelein 1480 1538 Leonhard Beck 1480 1542 Hans Baldung Grien 1480 1545 Wolf Traut 1485 1520 Hanns Durer 1490 1534 Hans Springinklee 1490 1540 Wolf Huber 1490 1553 Barthel Bruyn 1492 1555 Hans Holbein the Younger 1497 1543 Georg Pencz 1500 1550 Sebald Beham 1500 1550 Barthel Beham 1502 1540

France

Enguerrand Quarton 1410 1461 Jean Fouquet. 1420 1481 Simon Marmion 1420 1489 The Master of King Rene D'Anjou 1445 1470 Nicholas Froment 1450 1490 Maitre De Moulins 1480 Jean Clouet 1485 1541 Jean Duvet 1485 1561 Francois Clouet 1510 1572

FLANDERS artists

Robert Campin 1375 1444 Jan Van Eyck 1390. 1441 Rogier Van Der Weyden 1399 1464 Petrus Christus 1410 1472 Dirck Bouts 1420 1475 Hans Memling 1430 1494 Hugo Van Der Goes 1440-1482 Hieronymus Bosch 1450 1516 Gerard David 1450 1523 Geertgen Tot Sint Jans 1460 1495 Quentin Massys 1466 1530 Mabuse Jan Gossaert 1470 1533 Joachim Patinier 1475 1524 Joos Van Cleve 1485 1541 Bernard Van Orley 1488 1541 Lucas Van Leyden 1494 1533 Jan Van Scorel 1495-1562 Pieter Bruegel the Elder 1525-1569

ITALY

Fra Filippo Lippi 1406 1469 Piero Della Francesca 1416 1492 Gentile Bellini 1429 1507 Antonello Da Messina 1430 1479 Giovanni Bellini 1430 1516 Antonio Pollaiuolo 1431 1498 Andrea Mantegna 1431 1506 Jacopo De' Barbari 1440 1516 Luca Signorelli 1441-1523 Sandro Botticelli 1444-1510 Pietro Perugino 1445-1523 Domenico Ghirllandaio 1449 Vittore Carpaccio 1455 1526 Fra Bartolommeo 1472 1517 Michelangelo 1475-1564 Giorgione 1478 1510 Andrea Del Sarto 1486-1531 Titian 1487-1576 Correggio 1494-1534 Pontormo 1494-1557 Francesco Parmigianino 1503-1540 Jacopo Tintoretto 1518-1594

Rembrandt Van Rjin Claude Monet Pierre Auguste Renoir Henri De Toulouse Loutrec Auguste Rodin Bartholdi Rodin Jackson Pollock Piet Mondrian Raphael Donatello Monet Sandro Botticelli Grant Wood Edvard Munch James Whistler Georgia O Keefe Alphonse Mucha Edward Hopper L.S. Lowry Rene Magritte Gustav Klimt Titian Cecil Bell

edited 19th Aug '14 6:49:05 AM by TheBeanerItWas

Most of the people on T Vtropes seem to be young nerds into anime, manga, western cartoons, and videogames. the number of people who know much about fine art or care is probably a lot lower in comparison.

The big question is, how many of these consistently use implicit narrative tropes in their visual art to the degree that we could speak meaningfully about them from a storytelling perspective? There are plenty of pages about actual full-fledged narratives that boil down to a paper-thin synopsis and a list of tropes with no meaningful discussion of content; what would happen to a page on a relatively obscure but significant and well-respected painter who had little storytelling content in their art at all?

Now, schools and movements no doubt deserve pages, particularly under the Useful Notes name-space, with sections for those artists crucial to or notable within or in relation to those schools and movements, with discussions of the visual storytelling tropes that were prevalent within them or distinctive to particular artists. But with the exception of the highly influential masters who had a lot of implicit narrative in their work—Rembrandt, Bosch, Hogarth, Toulouse-Latrec, perhaps Kandinsky and Dali—there is simply not enough there to warrant full pages without demonstrative independent importance.

Eh... people: we already have articles for Hieronymus Bosch, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, René Magritte and Peter Paul Rubens for more than a year now. And I've been able to add a lot of tropes to all these pages.

Also, a lot of names you've added are spelled wrong. It's Honoré Daumier, for instance.

Recently added Michelangelo Buonarroti, Rembrandt van Rijn and Francisco de Goya too.

As well as Johannes Vermeer.

edited 5th May '15 1:32:14 AM by Patachou

That depresses me.

Why?

Well, one solution is merging them by collection/series as was discussed in this ATT query. Series of thematically or narratively connected visual artworks exist and are ripe for troping.

The other thing is that we don't have many tropes found primarily in the visual arts. Like, we have the whole Color Contrast tropes which are great but what about composition, mixed medium, or texture?

How do we create tropes for fine arts?

Proposing them in the Trope Launch Pad, although I'd recommend running them first through the Trope Sounding Board forum thread. Or we could just throw some ideas here before.

As I said, I suggest at least three potential tropes: Composition, the arrangement of elements in a painting or sculpture (mostly reliefs and architectural ornaments), Texture (Van Gogh, for example, conveyed a feeling of madness and despair through heavily-texture paintbrushes), and Mixed-Media Art (when you use more than one material for an art piece, e.g., collages).

Edited by Asterlix on Feb 29th 2024 at 9:25:44 AM