BoJack Horseman

Probably doesn't help that the Belle Room kind of sucked. The books weren't even real.

This is yet another way she's like Bojack. The reality of show business didn't live up to Bojack's dreams.

edited 4th Oct '17 8:50:37 PM by M84

Admittedly, yeah. But that kind of makes it a perfect metaphor for all of Diane's other crushed dreams, at this point. I mean, they *could've* replaced those books with real books, that wasn't the problem, but it's the gesture itself that's the straw that breaks the camel's back, here, seeing how hollow it is— realizing that she can have whatever she wants, but maybe what she wants is never going to be enough.

She wants the substance, not the surface. She's already got the surface— Mr Peanutbutter, nice a guy as he is, is all surface. She wants something to prove to her, definitively, that she's not a pit that good things fall into, something to fill that hole. And that's depression.

edited 4th Oct '17 8:56:36 PM by Unsung

On the subject of dreams vs reality, Todd and Courtney had a similar conversation where Todd has doubts about his asexual meeting because he's worried it won't be what he wants it to be. Courtney then says that for this reason she much prefers fiction to reality. It definitely seems to be a running theme this season, if not the show in general.

Given the recent scandals, i'm honestly expecting an episode or arc in Season 5 dealing with Hank Hippopopalous getting exposed for sexual abuse, and Diane being upset that the media is treating it like it's a shocking revelation that came out of nowhere.

At this point, I hope so too. It would be a good sequel episode to one that ended on a down note about sexual abuse.

It'd probably be a sort of throwaway background event or something in conversation. They probably wouldn't spend a lot of time focusing on Hank himself.

Also bear in mind that they already had scripts written by the time season 4 aired. There's a limit to how topical they can be in the format.

You know what I think would be interesting? If allegations started coming out against BoJack.

edited 21st Nov '17 11:07:22 AM by Pannic

They can still rewrite the scripts here and there, and the animation style lends itself to the occasional improvisation late in the game, I think. This definitely seems like something they're going to want to address, and it'd definitely be poignant for Bojack's poor judgment around Penny to come back to haunt him just as he might finally have found some kind of meaningful connection with Hollyhock.

I had thought of that before, but maybe the episode could revolve around Bojack scrambling to find a way to "insulate" himself before the first accusation flies.

Given Bojack's general behaviour especially towards the start of the show, I'm sure there's plenty of truthful accusations that could be made against Bojack himself. Which would storywise be far more interesting situation than Hank's comeuppance.

I don't know... that would necessarily become a major storyline if it happened now, and I hope this show stays focused on personal problems, with occasional hot-topic social episodes.

A Round 2 with Hank would be interesting, though. But it would definitely have to be something else than "Hank gets his comeuppance". That would be an episode from another, very different, show. "Hank gets his comeuppance but not really" would be more Bojack, I think.

edited 22nd Nov '17 3:27:08 AM by Cozzer

The problem with this is considering the way the show's handled the subject in the past there's no way it'll be able to keep Bojack sympathetic if he's committed sexual assault.

Bojack can be a turd, but I don't think you can make him sympathetic if he was shown to have sexually harassed or assaulted someone in the past. Even though he did tend to sleep with Penny (which is scummy), he wouldn't force himself on her.

A harassment episode would be double interesting considering Netflix' firing of Kevin Spacey from House of Cards and not-firing of Danny Masterson from The Ranch.

edited 22nd Nov '17 11:51:38 AM by Motyka5

I still think a second episode with Hank getting justice would be awesome, with Bojack reflecting on his own past incident with Penny.

My only concern is an episode about Hank getting his comeuppance feels like too neat of a resolution, which would feel out of place on the show. But then, juxtaposing that with BoJack's own doubts and stuff, that could work. Or maybe it could be about Diane not feeling fulfilled despite her apparent vindication.

It could have be that Diane might feel frustrated that now people are taking things seriously, when she was run out of the country for trying to bust Hank for his crimes against women.

Which is more or less how one person felt about the whole Louis C.K. mess.

Month late response to the discussion above, but yeah, that'd totally be a Bojack thing to do.

edited 29th Dec '17 10:24:39 PM by SilentColossus

I could see Hank coming back as either a tangential element or possibly a throwaway Ticker Tape gag on MSNBSea. Plus, I wouldn't want the show to jump the gun on the cultural impact of the Me Too movement - keep in mind that people have been pissed about mass shootings and police misconduct, but not much has changed culturally (yet).

Plus, it'd make a lot more sense for a BoJack-universe news outlet to completely downplay the trial/conviction of someone that they'd publicly defended.

Of course, the issue there is that no matter how they portray him responding to the accusations (or the media's treatment of him during them), people will be harshly critical. If he's a huge jerk about it, it would represent that he's had Aesop Amnesia, but if he's genuinely apologetic about it, either the media will turn a blind eye (justifiably pissing off those that think he's a Karma Houdini for it), or they'll pillory him over it, pissing off those that consider it Reformed, but Rejected.

edited 25th Jan '18 1:42:21 PM by ironballs16

It could not only be a good Diane episode, but a good Bojack one as well. It would be a good reflection on how he has treated women in the past.

Lisa Hanawalt is making a new cartoon for Netflix

And this...isnt the place to talk about it.

Sorry, I love you man, but it just isnt.

So is this new show a spin-off of Bojack?

As far as I know the only connection is that a crewmember from Bojack is the creator of this new cartoon.