Self-Demonstrating Character Pages

My opinion is that white text on white background is a pretty unique way of "speaking". I'm not a fan of the work, so I can't admit to the writing being accurate to the character, but if the page follows normal TV Tropes layout, exists in the Self-Demo namespace, and can display the white-on-white properly, I think it can stay.

I'm not going to argue if someone in a technical position can actually make it work without affecting the rest of the wiki, but this "iconic character" argument is pure, undiluted Fan Myopia.

May I ask why substituting the white text for spoiler tags isn't an option?

Because that's not his gimmick.

I do question if we should have a page where the only way to read it is to highlight everything, though. Except the start of it which specifies you need to highlight stuff to read it. It'd be hard to read for some people, especially on mobile, but I say try it out anyway. If we get complaints, then we can review if it's a good idea to keep up. Otherwise, it's not really a problem at all, being Just for Fun.

I should point out that the page does use spoiler tags to simulate the white text gimmick. I guess the page kinda falls apart if you don't have the spoiler tags turned on.

Change the subject I shall. Create a page for Master Yoda should we? A VERY unique voice he has, and very famous he is, hmm? Yes, yes.

edited 21st Dec '16 10:05:53 AM by Darthrai

That would work for me. He's got a unique voice, tons of memorable lines, and is well known. Not to mention enough tropes to populate a section for sure.

That said, one little suggestion: don't turn every famous line he has into basically a Catchphrase. I have seen that before and it's irritating when a character has said something once, ever, but because it's memorable it's treated like a Verbal Tic.

So, I just noticed that YMMV.Deadpool and Trivia.Deadpool are both SD in a non-SD namespace. I can go ahead and revert those, right? I let the charge on getting Film.Deadpool and VideoGame.Deadpool turned third-person, but this is a wee bit murkier.

Creator.Adam West is SD in a non-SD namespace.

Chiming on the Homestuck

I also agree the fact having spoiler tags shut off breaks it presents a minor problem and renders the unique "entire page in spoilers to simulate white text" format useless.

It also means actually USING spoilers on his page is impossible for obvious reasons.

There's actually a sandbox page which has a non-SD description for that Adam West. I think the current description should be switched out for the one in the Sandbox.

Regarding Doc Scratch, having "Show Spoilers" on does alleviate the point to some extent, but the fact is that even with them off, their are still margins to show readers where the spoiler tagging begins and ends, demonstrating that the character is trying to obfuscate his own text.

And if we're talking spoilers, not spoiling anything is actually a part of his character. Doc Scratch is The Omniscient, but takes too much joy in giving out half-truths and teasing potential futures to ever give straight answers. It wouldn't make sense in-character for him to spoil anything, so it's no impediment that spoiler tags can't be used. And even if he did spoil stuff, conventional spoiler tags would be useless, since Homestuck pages don't use tagging to cover up spoilers to the work's spoiler-heavy plot.

Some new pages have created recently (the latter three having been brought up in Ask the Tropers):

Pete Campbell

The Architect

Vanessa Lutz

Hector Con Carne

Seto Kaiba

edited 4th Jul '17 10:54:07 PM by Anddrix

I'm wondering why the character page for Gohan of Dragon Ball Z was deleted.

Seto Kaiba and Pete Campbell are the only ones of those five that have any interesting speech patterns. I'm usually not involved in this project, but I've lurked a bit and I'm pretty sure "interesting speech patterns" is important to SDA's. That said, I can't imagine a reason to have Pete Campbell as a SDA.

Cut all of those. Kaiba might have a unique speech pattern in theory, but it doesn't come across on the page at all.

Well, that's disappointing (Kaiba). There go 3 hours of my life I'll never get back :/. I did try really hard to faithfully recreate Kaiba's attitude through the text, but I guess since he's stoic as sandpaper with the emotional output of a rock, it's hard to convey that. Oh well, you win some, you lose some.

ComicBook.Superboy Prime redirects to SelfDemonstrating.Superboy Prime. The redirect needs to be cut, and IMO the character doesn't have a unique enough voice to qualify for a SD page.

Agreed on all accounts.

Found another recently created self-demonstrating character page: Angelica Pickles.

I noticed some pages that are really unfinished, as they have no page description and a measly amount of tropes listed. These are pages for Pacifica Northwest and Lapis Lazuli. Haven't seen either show, so I don't know how viable a self-demonstrating page for either of them would be.

Even if the pages weren't stubs, neither of them have distinct enough voices for SD pages.

Don't know the second one, but Pacifica Northwest most certainly doesn't have a unique voice. Cut.

I do know about the latter, and can say that Lapis doesn't have a unique enough voice for a self demonstrating.

edited 10th Aug '17 8:25:19 AM by valozzy

Found a page for Rick and Morty, that was created a couple of days ago.

I found this in Self-Demonstrating/ and wondered if this is supposed to be a character or an in-joke. I guess it's a character from Microsoft Sam Reads Funny Windows Errors?

SelfDemonstrating.Bacon

Should the page just be cut? It looks like it's been abandoned, seeing as there's only three edits in its history.

edited 13th Sep '17 7:17:41 AM by WaterBlap

Cut.

SelfDemonstrating.Queg exists. Only because that was originally in the Creator/ namespace and someone was kind enough to move it to Self-Demonstrating where it... sort of fits, but honestly should probably just be cut.

edited 23rd Oct '17 11:03:23 AM by Larkmarn