Fantastic Four Reboot

I am just saying that my ticket is not booked...if the first reviews are out, positive and sound like something along my taste after all, I might reconsider.

Personally, I plan to wait for what the word-of-mouth is as well.

So this interview kept popping up on my Twitter feed as the next in fan outrage. Basically contention with the part where he says: “There have always been two categories of Sue – the slutty secretary version, and this brilliant scientist version." Among other stuff that we've already heard about.

In my opinion, I don't think it's as bad as David Goyer dismissing She-Hulk as a sex object for the Hulk, but I suppose as worded it's being taken as him dismissing Sue's comic history in general than just select parts.

Uh, no. Sue started as the pretty much useless but chaste tagalong, then moved along to wise and powerful and not slutty mother figure. Those two stages mentioned there aren't even their two main defining ones.

She was slutty when she turned evil, as you do, but she wasn't secretarying then.

Not to mention that it's flat-out inaccurate. Even without being a brilliant scientist, Sue has built up a reputation as the single most dangerous member of the Fantastic Four, a force powerful enough that Doctor Doom himself thinks twice about messing with her. Funny that he left that version out when it demonstrates that his vision isn't necessarily the only way to make the character good.

As it stands, I'm much more inflamed by his comments about not wanting to "embrace a tone that comes right off the page". That, I think, is not something anyone should want to hear from someone responsible for making an adaptation.

It also feels like one of those superficial "these characters are just chintzy pulp and have never been explored as meaningfully as I will" comments you tend to get from filmmakers who do comic adaptations (or video game adaptations, for that matter) but have a poor perception of the source medium and/or don't really know or care much for the source material.

IIRC, Man Of Steel got a bit of that as well.

edited 1st Mar '15 10:41:02 PM by KnownUnknown

Sue, slutty ? I probably have not been reading the same comic as those guys. Unless you count the Jessica Alba version, but she was not so much slutty as having one contractually naked scene per movie.

I will probably go watch this movie (I watched Silver Surfer after all) but I'm not expecting much of it (like I did for Silver Surfer).

I think he means the Malice-influenced version, but given how first she was being under Psycho-Man's control, and then, when Reed already was believed dead and she took the infamous 'slut' costume, technically she had no reasons to believe she wasn't a woman free to have ramped up sexual tension with Namor if she wanted to, even then it's a very harsh term to use on her.

Oh my god, he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about, does he?

He doesn't have any grasp of the source material, does he? Like, at all?

There's liberties and then there's being wrong and...

Man, they're doing a damn good job of making people worry.

Don't remind me of the stupid "I need to be naked to be invisible" running gag.

I think the most important part of the fantastic four is the family vibe.

This is probably as apt a summery of the perception people have about this movie and why they're so darn pessimistic about it as you can get.

....So, which movies is he watching?

I presume he means the MCU films, and how they try to stick close to the fantastical world of comics, rather than being, as he calls it, "challenging and tragic and dramatic."

If he means the MCU (and he most likely does), then his remarks make me even more pessimistic. There is really a world of differences between the original Fantastic Four, which were an insult to Comic books, and the MCU, which manages to strike a perfect balance between respecting the comic books while still being relevant. Remarks like this do nothing to convince me that he is working on a fantastic four movie and not on some other project on which he slapped Fant4stic.

Yeah, what a shame that those movies have managed to stay as faithful to the comics as they have thus far. Just imagine how successful those movies might have been if they'd only thought to inject them with a lot more tragedy and dramatics.

edited 3rd Mar '15 12:12:51 AM by TheSpaceJawa

I no longer have a smidgen of confidence. I was willing to given a slight benefit of the doubt because of how great Chronicle was but... I can't hold on to this tiny hope anymore, I have to give up, this isn't worth it.

I don't know if this will be good, who knows, it might, but as of now I don't have any hope anymore.

If there is quality then I will definitely be pleasantly surprised.

Aaaand now that I've browsed over the interview I find myself becoming very pessimistic as well. The last time I went to see a movie from a franchise I loved that was made by someone who expressedly said he was not a fan of, I... did not like it.

Honestly... how much of that doubt was deserved depends on how much of what you liked in Chronicle was Josh Trank (The director of Chronicle) or Max Landis (The writer of Chronicle)'s doing.

Even if you like Chronicle - and I did, personally - the problem here is 'how much of the movie is going to be like Chronicle?' given that Chronicle has a completely different tone from what people expect from a Fantastic Four movie.

And thus far, the impression they've given beyond the fact that nobody working on the movie really understands or even cares about who the Fantastic Four really are is that they're aiming for a spiritual sequel to Chronicle.

Actually, the Disney Marvel movies are a good deal Lighter and Softer and Denser and Wackier than the comics. Also, between the Thor movies and the announcement that Doctor Strange would deal with string theory and quantum physics and other sciency-sounding gobbledygook, no magic allowed.

This thing is almost certainly going to suck, but it won't be because it dares to never turn to the camera and wink.

edited 3rd Mar '15 10:40:11 AM by Bonerfart

what what what whaaaaaaat

There was no announcement. There was an offhand reference to quantum physics and whatnot and Dr. Strange a few years ago by Feige.

Depends on which run of the comics you read....

I recently read a comic where Rocket Raccoon had to save self-aware war-bots from a weapon auction on Cosmo's (the talking russian dog) request. Why did Cosmo request it? The war-bots were really good at baking dog treats.

Comics be silly too.

That was one of the Rocket Raccoon comics, btw. Good series.

edited 4th Mar '15 6:47:26 AM by Zeromaeus