Telltale's Game of Thrones

• Didn't try to stab Ramsay because that wouldn't go well.
• Spared Bloodsong.
• Tried to lie to Tyrion. He saw through me.
• Killed the traitor (Royland, for me).
• Rodrik stayed behind.

So, I guess this means Rodrik/Asher are going to die as well, right?

edited 21st Jul '15 4:52:30 PM by SilentColossus

FUCK YOU TELLTALE!

THIS IS NOT OK

• I tried to stab Ramsay. He was impressed with me. No idea what happens otherwise.
• I spared Birdsong but I kicked him in the face because I knew his culture wouldn't take kindly to me offering him a hand.
• I didn't lie to Tyrion. I saw no point when he asked me point blank.
• I killed the traitor, Royland. Kind of disapointed if it really was based entirely on the Sentinel choice. That's still cringeworthy to me.
• I left Asher behind. After... spending 30 mins... sobbing... I hadn't a clue what to do. If I leave Asher behind, no one is there to lead the Army and Bheska is abandoned. But, if I killed Rodrick, Talia and Elana and his mother and... And Elana's maidenhood would be called into question if she didn't get married right damn now. I-.... ARGH! FUCK YOU!

Iron from fucking ice. Also, Dany is an asshole.

• I didn't try to stab Ramsay. I couldn't see that ending well.
• I had Rodrik sleep with Elaena
• I killed Bloodsong. I couldn't afford to look weak in front of the fighters.
• Mira lied to Tyrion, not that it did her any good. Hopefully Tom's employer can help, because Mira isn't any closer to getting the money she needs.
• I didn't promise Talia that I would execute the traitor, who was Royland. I was really hoping that it would always be Duncan, especially since Royland's motivations seem massively out of character. I spared his life, but only because he said he had information that would save Asher's life.
• Speaking of which, saving Asher's life didn't work out very well. Asher gave his life for House Forrester. I figure that Rodrik would be a better lord and I couldn't stand to break Elaena's heart (though it occurs to me that I might have just made an enemy of Gwyn).

That ending was brutal. Gryff is a dead man.

• I didn't stab Ramsay, he's Saved by Canon and thus I couldn't see any benefit.
• I spared Bloodsong. May have been a bad idea.
• Probably my dumbest move in the entire episode, I didn't lie to Tyrion. I didn't see the point, he knows his sister. Still, I may have just made an enemy out of Cersei. Which definitely can end badly...
• I promised Talia I would kill the traitor, who in my case was Royland, but ended breaking it when he said he had info that could help Asher.
• In the end, it was Asher who walked away alive. No matter which way I went, I would end up breaking the hearts of many people. And there's no morally correct choice when choosing someone to live and another to die. So ultimately, all I had left was pragmatism. Asher's hot-headedness can be kept in check by my choices, but I can't control the sellswords, who I desperately need to help defeat the Whitehills, and their respect belongs to Asher, not Rodrik.

edited 21st Jul '15 6:52:37 PM by Cybersbe

...Well then.

• As has been mentioned above, Ramsey is Saved by Canon, and I didn't think it'd end well for me regardless.
• I spared Bloodsong. Dude gave me one hell of a fight - I think he might prove useful.
• I told Tyrion the truth. That...probably wasn't a good idea.
• So whoever you didn't pick as Sentinel is the traitor, huh? I guessed as much when Duncan mentioned he was bitter over that. I spared him (breaking my promise with Talia) though I'm wondering, does that affect the climax at all? Maybe having him alive will help next episode...
• I chose to sacrifice Rodrik. I was hoping he would at least take Gryff with him, but no such luck. Ah well, I need Asger to command the mercenaries (plus I just like him better overall). I hope Talia doesn't react to badly, what with Rodrik breaking his promise and then promptly dying.

Now then, how does Daenerys react if you didn't kill Dezhor? And I take it that Arthur is still killed if he went with you to the Whitehills?

edited 21st Jul '15 9:42:54 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Right, they still haven't resolved Tom's plotline OR Sera's!

My god. Episode 6 has A LOT of plots to pick up on...

• The North Grove and JUST how it ties into... just about everything else.
• Mira's plotline needs to be resolved with the side plots of Tom and Sera ( And Olenna Tyrell ). The Cersei and Tyrion thing too.
• Malcolm's Mission for Dany???
• Elana Glennmore still has more to kick around
• The traitor if they're still alive
• Gywn Whitehill and Asher Forrester
• EVERYTHING with the Whitehills
• Tying in Stannis' protection (since that's the only reference to House Forrester before the game series, it would seem odd not to mention it at all).

I get the impression that Gwyn will get paired off with Asher if he lives and Elana will end up with Rodrick if he lives.

But, there's still a TON of plotlines that need to be tied up.

Does the information that the traitor gives have ANY use at all??? Is there any point?

I also want to ask... You don't think that they might try and do a second season, do you?

They might. Game of Thrones is a pretty big property, in a similar vein of The Walking Dead.

Malcolm, at the very least, isn't plot-critical at this point, and would be a good viewpoint character for Season 2 (or at least offering a familiar face), so that could easily be a Sequel Hook.

Is it possible that they decided not to use Olenna Tyrell?

edited 21st Jul '15 10:41:08 PM by KarkatTheDalek

I could see them doing a second season for this, and I hope they do, as otherwise everything will be too rushed.

edited 21st Jul '15 10:40:04 PM by SilentColossus

I just worry that a second season might be difficult to pull off. Might head into the Darkness Audience Apathy of the TV Series if you do.

At the same time, I would be worried about everything we've fought for being undone in whatever climax the TV Series sets up and, worse yet, it being done off screen.

I doubt that they decided not to use Olenna, but just decided not to reveal her yet. To be fair, there was no point for Mira to find out because Tom didn't even appear. I completely forgot about him until someone else mentioned. Telltale is also kind of fond of having some big character appear in the finale, be it a Big Reveal or a Guest Star kind of thing. Michael J Fox in Back to the Future. The Stranger in The Walking Dead. Lee came back in The Walking Dead Season 2 Finale. The Crooked Man has his big reveal in The Wolf Finale. I could see Olenna being the big shocking guest appearance for Episode 6 in September.

Choices:

• I didn't try to kill Ramsay. I knew that it obviously wouldn't work and I figured that he was just playing games with me. He wasn't exactly impressed.
• I spared Bloodsong. I don't see why I wouldn't. I figured that he was more valuable as a soldier than as a corpse.
• I tried to lie to Tyrion, at first. But, I came clean as soon as he actually questioned me on it. Because, of course he was going to know exactly who sent me. Cersei has all the subtly of a parade. Hell, the only reason why I was even bothering to play along was because of the eavesdropping guard. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered with this weak-ass charade.
• I promised that I was going to kill the traitor. And I, very reluctantly, decided to fulfill that promise. Not out of sympathy, mind you. But my traitor was Duncan and, while he was ranting about how much of a psycho I was, I wanted to just spare him out of spite. But, I still stabbed him in the end. After all, his whole "I-Did-It-For-This-House" claim kind of falls apart when he's been setting Gryff free and selling out info on Asher's arrival.
• I had Rodrick stay behind. It just seemed more appropriate for Rodrick to have the last stand against Gryff. And I wasn't sure if the Pit Fighters would remain loyal without Asher.

All in all, it was a bit short. Gared had one goddamned scene. It was a great and intense scene, but it was still only one scene. And Mira only had two. And we didn't see the Maester or Tom at all. But, that ending is probably going to go down as one of Telltale's most intense decisions.

Some Notes: Kind of surprised at how brief Ramsay's appearance was. After that climatic cliffhanger, all he did was show up for one scene, carve up a minor character whom we just met, and then leave again. And, apparently, he didn't even really do anything to Ironrath, because Gryff was still in his cell and nobody besides Arthur got killed.

Dany can go fuck right off. She totally cheated me out of those Second Sons. I should've just let Bheska kill that maester and flipped off that lying imbecile. I'm also disappointed that Malcolm stayed behind with her. Especially since forging an alliance with her is useless when she absolutely refused to get on with that whole Westeros Invasion.

The revelation of the Traitor still pisses me off. Am I really supposed to believe that Royland would side with the people whom he's done nothing but antagonize or that Duncan would side with the people who slaughtered his family over a made-up title that no other house has? Why would the traitor happily throw a hatchet in Whitehill's face on my command during the last episode's non-standard game over. I could've bought it if one of them had been the traitor non-determinantly. If one of the two had simply been playing us, I would've bought it. But that is such a weak motive. The Maester was a boring choice, but at least it would've been consistent. Hell, the mother would've made more sense than that.

I'm kind of disappointed that Finn died so goddamned suddenly. I really wish that I'd have left him behind. I just knew that he was going to end up dead, but no... I just couldn't bear to break up the band. And, worse yet, he's probably going to show up in the next episode as a Wight...

Rodrick finally mentioned the North Grove when I confronted Duncan. Which is kind of a relief, because I'd had no idea whether anybody besides Duncan knew of all the bullshit that Gared was being forced through. I does make Duncan's betrayal even more baffling, since he was genuine in sending off his nephew to certain death for the Foresters' sake.

As for my choices:

• Attempted to stab Ramsay because I knew the game wouldn't kill me that early, just being Genre Savvy ya know. Turns out Bolton was impressed and said something about being lucky as Rodrick was a cripple. You don't see tthat happening usually.
• Spared Bloodsong, not sure why...
• Lied to Tyrion, didn't work so well.
• Killed the traitor due to poor motives, almost non-logical betrayal, and him insulting me (Yes, the writing of his contributed to his death greatly). That info probably didn't do much anyway.
• Asher walked away and Rodrick took a bunch of soldiers with him (If every soldier of the Whitehills can go down that quickly then those guys gotta step up thier game). Those pit fighters probably only trust Asher and Asher alone. It also makes for a more interesting plot point in my opinion.

Not that the last choice will matter, as far as I know Telltale. Asher will have the angle about Gwyn Whitehill and his sellswords. Rodrik has his alliance with the Glenmores. In the end both will be doing the same stuff. They even shot Asher in the leg with a crossbow bolt, so now they can use the same limping animation for both character AHAHAHAHAHA!

Also, is Gryff a demigod or something? That fucker regenerated from that Eye Scream fast...

edited 22nd Jul '15 9:52:55 AM by YoKab

Fuck.

• Decided not to stab Ramsay. I wanted to, but I knew it wouldn't help anything.
• Told Dany the truth about Beskha. I don't see why Beskha was so mad about it, though? It's not like it caused her any trouble, and it would have if Asher had withheld that info.
• I spared bloodsong, but kicked him since I figured helping him up wouldn't go over well.
• Told the truth to Tyrion. Lying wouldn't have helped, anyway.
• I spared Royland. I was really upset that I broke my promise to Talia, but I figured we can still totally kill him later, and we needed that info.
• Aaand... Rodrick died. And I cried forever. From a meta-perspective, I chose him because I just kinda like Asher the slightest bit more. And Asher will be necessary to command the pit fighters. From an in-story perspective... the way I'm playing them, it makes sense that Asher OR Rodrick would choose to sacrifice themself, but Asher is stubborn, so I figure Rodrick would definitely be the one to give up first.

edited 22nd Jul '15 9:49:57 AM by Mukora

The only way I see this ending is with a Downer Ending or a Start of Darkness. Otherwise OtherwiseRamsayWillKillThemBothAndBeDoneWithIt Oh wait... Bolton will make a cameo of All Your Base Are Belong to Us 100% percent this time.

edited 22nd Jul '15 10:11:13 AM by YoKab

Nah.

The ending may be bittersweet, but this is Telltale. They know how to have an ending that's satisfiying, despite not being perfect. Like... if this was being written by Martin, or whoever runs the TV show, maybe, but it's not.

Perhaps so, perhaps not.

Martin mentioned a while ago that if anything he probably won't have the book end with the grim notes many will prepare themselves for it to be, he still gives hope spots. I feel like the Anyone Can Die nature of the IP can be a bit exagerated at times. Hell, the ending for the average 2012 RPG game was actually fairly satisfying. Godamnit, if only it had better gameplay and stuff, the story was great and well-crafted (Based around the books).

I hope Ramsay actually fucks off as he claims and let shit happen, we have no need for him to come with his shiny Plot Armor.

edited 22nd Jul '15 12:23:27 PM by YoKab

Like I said, I really think having the traitor be Duncan the entire time (does shady as fuck things in Episode 1, only one who knows about Garred and the North Grove, the Sentinel choice is just giving him more power, etc) or the Maester would have been better options.

What really just kills it is that there are parts of it that make no sense on their behavior; the scene where you can kill the Whitehills for example and the traitor is the one who will kill Ludd.

Maybe the traitor thought he could play both sides???

Well, in my case Royland wanted me to go to war and be more aggressive in general, so that made sense to me.

Some general thoughts—

• Oh Ramsay, you little scamp...Rodrik tried to stab him. That may be the closest thing Ramsay ever has to a bro moment.
• If not for Daario, I'd first think "hehe, Dany wants to hit it" when she asked Malcolm to stay. He got that refined swagger thing. But wow, every soldier Dany? Jerkass.
• Didn't sleep with Elaena; this is my Good Person run. Not that Rodrik can really be evil, but in my other save he's more wolfblooded and vengeful.
• Why ain't my magic herbs helping!? Sylvi is a cutie.
• Goddammit Sera! I lied so you'd get your hot hubby!
• Cersei is impressed! Holy crap, I feel strangely honored. She's quite intimidating in this game.
• I LOVED the Bloodsong fight—it was Mountain and the Viper up to 11. Spared him with a kick.
• Ok Malcolm...hope siding with Dany doesn't mean Asher has to kill you later on.
• Daydrinking with Tyrion! Mira told him flat-out what was up—he's always been a few steps ahead in their convos; tricking him wouldn't work.
• Rodrik, y u throw ur cane away? You might need that—oh, nevermind I guess. Faking a limp for how long? Killed Royland because fuck him he's Alliser Thorne redux. There was even a guard (loyal!) who did the Olly bro-nod when he walked up. Look close you'll see him!
• Gryff that little shit. Rodrik stayed behind...mostly cuz I like Asher more. And I could see how Rodrik might see himself on borrowed time, surviving the Red Wedding and everything.

As someone who wanted to punch a lot of Season 5 in the face, Benioff & Weiss should play this and see what "agency" means, especially regarding the female characters.

edited 22nd Jul '15 9:57:42 PM by Phoenixflame

Wait, How would Rodrick sleeping with Elaena make him a bad guy?

It wouldn't (I haven't seen the bed scene), but from Rodrik's perspective, it seemed to me the "honorable" thing would be to wait until they're married. Plus she's wracked with grief.

I mean... It didn't seem like Rodrick was explicitly offering to sleep with her. He's just like "Hey, I'm here for you." And that leads to sex, apparently.

I haven't seen that choice voiced, just the text and just now the next scene on You Tube. The morning scene is totally cute. Talia's "Oh shit sorry!" reaction made more sense too.

On the note of of "See HBO?!", the closest thing to a rape threat is smacktalk in a fighting arena, and vaguely sinister marriage/hunting comments by Ramsay.

edited 22nd Jul '15 11:01:19 PM by Phoenixflame

Left Asher behind. No regrets. Didn't particularly like him. I didn't go through three episodes of Rodrik being a badass fucking lord so that his little shit of a brother could steal his thunder for the final act.

edited 24th Jul '15 4:33:08 AM by CrimsonZephyr

I would laugh my ass off if a character in the final act says "In the game of thrones... Everyone loses"

Oh, well gonna brace myself for the last chapter I guess... In the the Grand Finale of Telltale's Game of Thrones, there is Only War!!! (Not a bad title for the episode if they take it)

edited 24th Jul '15 5:53:14 AM by YoKab

I think it's Ice Dragon.