Misused: Tortured Abomination

This came from this IP thread.

The description and name are both explicit that this is about an Eldritch Abomination that is tortured. I don't see a reason the name can't be changed to Tortured Monster and the definition expanded to fit any monster. The vast majority of the examples already fit this idea.

In the IP thread, someone said that it could just have a definition change (since technically Abomination covers more than Eldritch Abomination) but I think it needs a rename as well. Eldritch Abomination already sees a ton of misuse as just regular things that are monstrous so having a trope with Abomination in the name that's just talking about monsters is going to confuse the issue even further.

Yes to the rewrite and yes to the rename. Eldritch Abomination is widely misused so making more general snowclones of it is not going to work, similar to what happened with Xanatos Gambit.

edited 1st Jun '13 12:22:21 PM by SeptimusHeap

Agree

Yeah, let's do that.

I believe it could work with the original name but I can see that there's a case for changing the name, so I'm adding my thumbs-up to the name change.

+1 for renaming to Tortured Monster and altering the definition thusly.

Tortured Monster makes me think of Frankenstein's monster, the Trope Codifier. That makes this name work even more.

Bingo. Definition is very clear. I'm indifferent to a name change. Monster (not complete) and abomination are the same thing.

edited 1st Jun '13 5:24:37 PM by Rethkir

I think this is a case where the name doesn't cause trouble for itself, but for a different trope. For that reason, I think Tortured Monster is preferable, even if Tortured Abomination is in itself very clear.

And there's no reason to separate different kinds of monsters and abominations. That's not the point of the trope. The point is that it's something that looks scary, but suffers on its own.

So is that enough consensus to just go ahead and make the change?

7 votes. I am inclined to wait a bit.

I vote yes as well. In fact, going by the name alone, I thought it was already about any kind of monster, and I don't see why it should only be about the lovecraftian ones.

It's not even been three days. Also, it's a weekend.

... which in my opinion just points out how badly this trope needed repair. I am now even more convinced that the name change will be a good thing.

Yeah, we'll give it time. I just figured since it was so straightforward we could just do it quickly rather than keeping a TRS slot filled, but we can wait.

You never know when someone will come in and yell "This definition makes perfect sense because..."

• 1 to the rename and rewrite.

I'm glad somebody made this thread when I forgot to.

+1 to rename and rewrite. This trope does not need to be relegated to only Eldritch Abominations. The way I see it, something qualifies if it's a monster whose very form tortures it in some way.

edited 5th Jun '13 1:42:55 AM by Scardoll

OK, so do we have consensus for an expansion and rename to Tortured Monster?

from me.

I'm calling it based on the heavy consensus to this point. Make it so.

edited 5th Jun '13 6:11:36 AM by Willbyr

I'll do it, then.

OK, did all the rename work (except for two-three wicks) and made an edit request for the locked Monster.Fan Works page.

That one's done.

Is there anything missing? Asking since the thread is still open.