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Not Tropeworthy: Selfish Good Selfish Evil get usage counts

This whole page is a mess. It's supposed to be additional possibilities for D&D-style Character Alignment, but that system already treats selfishness as evil, so this amounts to Good Evil, Lawful Evil, Chaotic Evil and Evil Evil.

Most of the "X Selfish" alignments seem to be after "X who doesn't value friendship"... except that the distinguishing point of Type 2 Selfish Good is that it does value friendship.

None of these are established terms outside this site either - "Selfish Evil" originates from Belkar's alignment in the The Order of the Stick board game, but that was intended as a joke and possibly for copyright reasons (he's canonically Chaotic Evil, and the game placed the other characters as "Beleaguered Good", "Foolish Good", "Chaotic Greedy", "Lawful Bland" and "Arrogant Neutral").

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:18:56 AM by Prime32

 
 2 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:11:21 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
And again with the CamelCase link. Fixed.

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 4 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:19:18 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
I have absolutely no idea what this page is about.

 5 Spark 9, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:25:20 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Wow, what an odd page. Yes, a character being selfish for a variety of reasons is a trope. No, splitting this into good/evil/lawful/chaotic doesn't help in describing that trope.
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 6 salmonpunch, Tue, 30th Apr '13 7:46:08 AM from Connecticutt, USA
I never asked for this
The examples the page gives in Selfish Good seem to focus on one aspect of a character's personality, while ignoring anything that opposes the trope.

Lawfull Selfish seems to be Piggybacking on Hitler but without the instant Nazi connotations.

Chaotic Selfish seems to be plain old wild card.

Neutral Selfish seems to be Only in It for the Money from the description he gave.

"You like Castlevania, don't you?"
 7 Another Duck, Tue, 30th Apr '13 8:59:18 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Sure, being selfish is a character trait that could work as a trope, but not like this. This is just feels like a shoehorned alignment trope. It somehow manages to be both too specific and too general.
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 8 Septimus Heap, Tue, 30th Apr '13 9:08:12 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
This is at best worth of a cut, as it's a mangled mess otherwise.

 9 Willbyr, Tue, 30th Apr '13 9:18:56 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
+1 to cut it, it seems like it's too much of a mess to salvage.
 10 StarSword, Tue, 30th Apr '13 9:42:52 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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I agree. Kill It with Fire.
 11 Larkmarn, Tue, 30th Apr '13 10:24:24 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Cut it.

Piffy
Cut.
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 13 Spark 9, Tue, 30th Apr '13 4:21:29 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Yes, cut it.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
Definitely not a weirdo
Agree to cut. This page is too much of a mess.
 15 salmonpunch, Tue, 30th Apr '13 7:27:50 PM from Connecticutt, USA
I never asked for this
Cut it
"You like Castlevania, don't you?"
 16 Septimus Heap, Fri, 17th May '13 7:38:35 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
Well, seems we have got consensus here. Barring objections, I will execute the removal over the weekend.

 17 Septimus Heap, Tue, 21st May '13 11:29:45 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
'Kay, the cut request was accepted. I already tagged the discussion and cutlisted the quotes page; asking for a lock.

The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
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