Custom Titles and First Installments of a Franchise:

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The custom title for VideoGame/FinalFantasyI is just "Final Fantasy" right now: note that there's no "I" at the end. On Ask The Tropers, someone said that the title must always display the actual title of the work, but this is a bit inconvenient since we already have VideoGame/FinalFantasy, but that's a redirect to Franchise/FinalFantasy. What are we supposed to do about this thing with other first installments of franchises?
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2 AnotherDuck28th Mar 2013 01:50:45 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Personally I think VideoGame.Final Fantasy should point to the first game, since we have Franchise.Final Fantasy for the franchise.
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3 Willbyr28th Mar 2013 03:43:06 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up] I tend to agree.
4 SeptimusHeap28th Mar 2013 04:02:36 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
VideoGame.Final Fantasy could just as well be a disambig. I am sure a lot of people use it for both the franchise and the first game.
5 AnotherDuck28th Mar 2013 07:58:36 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Clarification: I think VideoGame.Final Fantasy should be the page for the first game, and not VideoGame.Final Fantasy I. That is the title of the Video Game.

Someone looking for more than just the game is more likely looking for the entire franchise. Unless we have a page for the Video Game series alone, without the extras. And then again, Final Fantasy VII qualifies as a franchise all on its own, according to our definition (which I heard was something along the lines of three media, at least two with pages)...

edited 28th Mar '13 7:59:20 AM by AnotherDuck

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[up]Actually, Square did call it Final Fantasy I in the GBA Dawn of Souls release. It's much easier that way since it's less confusing.

But besides the point, what should we do with things like VideoGame.Street Fighter I, VideoGame.Mega Man 1, or VideoGame.New Super Mario Bros 1, all of which have numbers at the end to easily differentiate?
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^ That is a retroactive title and you know it.
8 Fighteer28th Mar 2013 08:24:39 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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Does it really matter? Calling it Final Fantasy I helps with disambiguation. Nobody seeing that title would be confused as to which game it's referring to, and only an extreme pedant would care.

edited 28th Mar '13 8:33:28 AM by Fighteer

[up]The question I'm asking is if we should apply the logic of Final Fantasy I's custom title to other first installments of franchises so that we can have a sense of consistency on the wiki. No one has given me a clear answer yet.

edited 28th Mar '13 2:07:06 PM by WaxingName

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10 Fighteer28th Mar 2013 02:15:46 PM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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Umm... maybe? Is it causing problems with disambiguation for any other games?
[up]Thing is, I'm kind of worried about it being a frivolous use of a wiki feature.

Am I going to have to make a crowner for this? That won't be helpful due to the DDoS that has them glitched for the time being.

edited 28th Mar '13 4:50:17 PM by WaxingName

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So are we going to revert VideoGame/FinalFantasyI's custom title, or are we going to apply that sort of naming to other pages of its kind?
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13 SeptimusHeap30th Mar 2013 07:25:58 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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Well, I propose to keep VideoGame.Final Fantasy I for the first game. If we absolutely must, we can custom title it to lack the I.
[up]I personally support that myself. I just wish we had more input.
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15 StarSword2nd Apr 2013 05:45:51 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
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I notice Mass Effect 1 is not custom-titled to lack the 1 (although I usually chop it off with wiki markup anyway). I agree with making VideoGame.Final Fantasy a disambig to catch mislinks and using FFI for the article title, sans custom title.
For the sake of consistency, what should we do with things like VideoGame.Sonic The Hedgehog and VideoGame.Super Mario Bros?
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17 AnotherDuck3rd Apr 2013 01:18:11 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
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18 Irene3rd Apr 2013 01:37:21 AM from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 , Relationship Status: It's complicated
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Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) already is covered, the only other game with the same name, so there's no real need.

I'd say keep them all as they currently are. There hasn't been too many mishaps. Franchise or Main easily covers the series better. Where VideoGame or an added 1 does well for first games.
So are we going to move VideoGame.Final Fantasy I back to VideoGame.Final Fantasy?
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20 Xtifr3rd Apr 2013 03:32:45 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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[up][up]Franchise/ is only supposed to be used for multimedia franchises (much like Series/ is only used for a television series), and Main/ is never supposed to be used for works.
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21 Irene3rd Apr 2013 03:36:58 PM from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 , Relationship Status: It's complicated
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You're wrong on the last bit. Main/ is used for any works who were given a namespace later on. Until we have a direct reason to remove the Main/ from it.

Also, I was using Franchise, etc. as a catchterm to refer to an actual "series" overall. Regardless of what specific media. Like there's a series of Power Rangers shows, series of Final Fantasy games, etc. I was not using them as their exact meaning.
22 Xtifr3rd Apr 2013 03:41:25 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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[up]We may have a redirect in Main/ for older pages, but we should never have a work page in Main/. (And those redirects should not be used in examples, but that's a side issue.)
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23 Irene3rd Apr 2013 03:46:52 PM from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 , Relationship Status: It's complicated
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And we still have some works in Main currently. Redirect doesn't really matter whatsoever since they are there.

Look, I don't care what you think I said. I was not referring to Franchise, etc. as their exact meaning.

Until their is a clash, we do not need to remove the Redirect or current Main uses. It's not a problem whatsoever.

Anyway, I stick by what I said earlier. Final Fantasy, as in the overall page that talks about all the media, should be in a catch-all namespace. Since it covers more than one Media, the Video Game namespace should only be used for the First game as a redirect to Final Fantasy 1. Alternatively, Final Fantasy 1 should be a redirect to VideoGame.Final Fantasy. Franchise works best(as well as Main since it's also an Anime, Movie, etc.).
24 Xtifr3rd Apr 2013 03:52:18 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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[up]No, Video Games belong in the VideoGame/ namespace. It doesn't matter if it's a page about a single game, or a page about a series of games. It belongs in the VideoGame/ namespace. Just as (for example) Discworld is in the Literature/ namespace, despite being a long series of books, all of which also have their own pages.

We are attempting to move all work pages to the appropriate namespace. All of them. Every single one. There is no "until there's a conflict"—it's until someone gets around to it. Current policy is that there should be no work pages in Main/. Period. Doesn't matter if it's a page that covers one work or a dozen. It should be in the medium-specific namespace unless it's a multimedia franchise.
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25 Irene3rd Apr 2013 03:55:28 PM from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 , Relationship Status: It's complicated
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...Final Fantasy is a multimedia Franchise, though. Video Games. Anime. Movie. Same with Super Mario Bros. And Sonic The Hedgehog.

And that's not what I read. That Main/ should not be used for any new works. But I may have misunderstood. My bad.

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