Ambiguous Name: Candlelit Bath get usage counts

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26 ccoa19th Sep 2012 03:24:25 PM from the Sleeping Giant
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Let's get a crowner in here and ratify that, because that is an extremely sensible solution.
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27 Pig_catapult30th Sep 2012 12:42:05 PM , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
I don't understand why in our wick check examples of "the bath being interrupted by something mundane" are being lumped together with misuse. If anything, "the bath being interrupted by something mundane" could very well be a valid subversion of the trope, anyway, if not a form of Parodying or Downplaying or any number of other valid ways of Playing with a Trope. It can't just be deemed automatic misuse on sight.

At its broadest, this concept is about a character's desire for a soothing, relaxing bath in mood lighting that gets interrupted or otherwise made impossible for the bathing character to enjoy as originally intended. In that sense, even mundane interruptions would still be perfectly acceptable for straight examples.

edited 30th Sep '12 1:01:40 PM by SeanMurrayI

29 lu1271st Oct 2012 09:48:51 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Crownered up.
@14: Just a detail, but the Supernatural example is a correct use. A woman takes a bath to relax and is attacked by something. It doesn't change anything for the crowner, of course.
31 Pig_catapult15th Oct 2012 09:31:56 PM , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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Bumping to get more votes, unless 10:2 counts as consensus (it seems kind of low?).
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32 shimaspawn16th Oct 2012 06:38:19 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
This has enough consensus to move on it. Make it so.
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33 Pig_catapult18th Oct 2012 08:55:28 PM , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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Um, I can't do this. I have a really hard time keeping that much information in my short-term memory at once.
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34 Pig_catapult27th Oct 2012 10:38:55 PM , Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Piffy
bump?
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Ok, here's a YKTTW for the new Deadly Bath trope. I don't really have time to work on examples today, so feel free to edit it.

I'm thinking there should be even a third trope here, the Interrupted Bath, which is subtrope to Bathtub Scene and sister trope to Deadly Bath, for when something interrupts a bath but it's not death. The same vulnerability that makes a Deadly Bath extra-horrifying is still in play here, but it's played for laughs, using that vulnerability to make the embarassing humor more acute.

[up]x7 @Sean Murray:

Just interrupting a bath isn't a subversion of the Deadly Bath, unless we were SET UP to think it was a Deadly Bath. Subversion means the audience is made to expect a trope to be in play, and then it turns out it's not. It's not even an aversion unless the genre itself sets up that expectation — if you see somebody bathing in a horror film and nothing bad happens, that's an aversion, because you automatically expect a Deadly Bath; if there are creepy shadows and gleaming metal (in any genre) but the bather doesn't get assaulted (or, perhaps, escapes), that's subverting the Deadly Bath.

Suppose you're watching Friends and Monica is in the bath. We see the door slowly open, a gleam of metal from the crack, then suddenly the door bursts open and it's Phoebe wanting to show her an art piece she just bought. That's a subversion of a Deadly Bath (especially if it's the halloween episode or something).

If Monica is in the bath and suddenly Chandler bursts in because he didn't know she was there and was just going to use the bathroom, that's an Interrupted Bath, but it's not subverting the Deadly Bath. There's no expectation of murder; it's just the comedy of walking in on somebody.

edited 30th Oct '12 8:10:15 AM by Escher

36 Michael29th Oct 2012 01:17:04 PM , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
One episode of 'Allo 'Allo! is nothing but an Interrupted Bath, again and again and again.
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I also created a YKTTW for Interrupted Bath, which can be found here.

For the moment, I'm assuming Interrupted Bath is a supertrope to Deadly Bath — not all interruptions are fatal, but many are. Interrupted Bath can be the repository for both humorous and dramatic examples ("Chandler bursts in" and "Get a call that somebody has died") and the horror ones will live at Deadly Bath.

edited 30th Oct '12 8:32:42 AM by Escher

Also, is there really a reason to have Shower Scene and Bathtub Scene as two different tropes? They're very closely related; virtually any trope that happens during one can happen during the other. Seems like we could merge these without changing much.
39 Madrugada30th Oct 2012 09:02:09 AM , Relationship Status: In season
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Closely related, yes, but not the same. They both can be used to indicate vulnerability of the person in the water, but bath scenes are more about relaxing, luxury, or sensuality, shower scenes are more of a way to separate one character from the others, or about the practical aspects of getting clean.

edited 30th Oct '12 9:03:46 AM by Madrugada

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's true. I just though it might fall under Tropes Are Flexible, mostly.
Deadly Bath has been launched, so I guess the next thing to do is to make a new description for Candlelit Bath.
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May I replace the current text of Candlelit Bath with a note about the Trope Transplant?
43 AnotherDuck27th Dec 2012 01:22:18 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Sure. It might be an idea to post it here first, so we can look it over without lots of edits and disagreements on the page.
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44 lu12727th Dec 2012 01:29:02 PM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
No, no, no, please. Placeholders are a terrible idea and I still run into random placeholders to this day because they were never completed. Only edit the permanent changes on the page.

edited 27th Dec '12 1:29:26 PM by lu127

45 SeptimusHeap3rd Feb 2013 05:33:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Cycling this thread back to the top. Has anybody a good description for Candlelit Bath?
Madrugada has rewritten the description of Candlelit Bath, unaware of the split.
47 SeptimusHeap8th Feb 2013 07:34:21 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
I think she thought that we were using the current description on Candlelit Bath for Deadly Bath.
48 shimaspawn11th May 2013 10:49:00 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
So, are we going to change the description on Candlelit Bath like it says in the crowner or not?
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

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49 SeptimusHeap11th May 2013 10:52:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Yes, but I am not familiar enough with this new trope to write more than one sentence or somesuch.
50 shimaspawn11th May 2013 11:03:31 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
How is this?

Sometimes, a bath is just a bath. In others, it's a way to set a mood.

You see it a lot in the movies and on TV: someone's had a hard day, and needs to to relax, to make the cares and stresses of the workaday world melt away. She draws a bath — it's often a she — lights a number of candles, turns off the bathroom light, and, glass of wine in hand, settles in the tub for a luxurious bath by candlelight.

This sets up sort of a romantic atmosphere that is often used for amorous scenes between lovers, or as a way to show a character finally getting a chance to be pampered for once. If all goes right expect the characters to emerge far more relaxes and saner for the experience.

Unfortunately, this being fiction, it tends to get interrupted, either for comedy, or for more sinister motives. If the sensual atmosphere, all goes really south, this can end up in either a rather embarrassing interruption, or even a Deadly Bath.

edited 14th May '13 7:14:33 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick

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