Five-Man Band cleanup:

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Okay, that sounds like it should be cut (again), then.
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@49 (Septimus): We all agree on cutting the unambiguously bad examples. I was asking what to do with the ambiguous examples.
53 SeptimusHeap23rd Jun 2012 12:49:13 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
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[up]Cut them as well. If they lie around, they will just attract more misuse.
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[up] What are other people's opinions on this? I agree.


Also, I looked over Anime E-H, cut a few things that were clearly wrong, and have questions about the following:
  • Excel Saga (anime): The note attached is a little weird. Wouldn't the person fitting the role also be the parody? Is this shoehorning?
  • Fang of the Sun Dougram: There's a lot of people. We probably need someone familiar with the show to determine whether it's shoehorning or whether it's simply an evolving Five-Man Band.
  • Flame of Recca: Team Hokage: Team Mom is not a mentor role; it seems likely this is a seven person team being shoehorned in.
I'd rather cut a real example than leave a non-example.

I'm not sure about Flame of Recca. It was ages since I saw it, and I never read the manga, so I don't remember much, but it kind of feels shoehorned. However, the shoehorned part is more likely that she's not in the main team, in which case there are actually six true members. That rings truer to what I remember. The positions are decently solid, though. Fuuko is the one with the least clear position, but all others are accounted for.

Also, what was wrong with the High School Of The Dead example? I thought they fit rather well.

edited 23rd Jun '12 4:52:12 PM by Feather7603

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Okay, consensus seems to be to cut the questionable stuff, so I'm going to do that for the three mentioned examples on Anime A-D.

Lu, what's the final verdict on the Digimon examples? Earlier you indicated you didn't think they fit well, but you never came down conclusively either way.
58 Xtifr23rd Jun 2012 07:44:17 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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[up][up]High School Of The Dead had two characters listed as The Smart Guy (and having seen the work, I would agree that it has to be both if one wants to make the trope fit).

eta: Never mind, I forgot that we were still allowing (limited) shared roles. Given that, I am forced to agree that it does fit, and should be restored.

edited 23rd Jun '12 7:55:48 PM by Xtifr

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59 Spark923rd Jun 2012 07:48:16 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Yes, I agree with cutting the ambiguous examples too. Let's try for a clean and clear list.

edited 23rd Jun '12 7:48:47 PM by Spark9

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60 lu12724th Jun 2012 12:09:25 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I fixed Digimon Adventure 02. Still can't speak for Tamers, never managed to finish it. Now, Frontier....it doesn't actually have a Smart Guy. All the others are there, but no Smart Guy. In or out?
[up]With no Smart Guy, it's out. If one role is lacking, or the person is shoehorned to it, the example doesn't fit.

Readded High School Of The Dead. All roles are pretty solid. Hirano is a clear Smart Guy, but also sometimes covers up for The Chick when appropriate.
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62 lu12724th Jun 2012 10:37:25 AM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I just went ahead and nuked a bunch of bad wicks from Bleach and Digimon.
63 Spark925th Jun 2012 07:06:10 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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I just looked at the subpage for Tabletop Games and there's a lot of nonsense on there, with people trying to fit armies, character classes, magic colors, and chess pieces into the band roles.

I've nuked most of the page now.
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64 Spark92nd Jul 2012 04:14:27 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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And now the subpage for toys, which is mercifully rather short.

Dropped one bionicle team for having too many members; I'm iffy about the inika and metru (whatever that means) because of the lengthy justifications used for each role.

Bratz: doesn't fit, with "the chick: all of them" and "6th ranger: all of them".

Disney princess: too many people. G.I. Joe: likewise. MASK: likewise, and the bad guys fall under Five-Bad Band if anything, not here.

Hero factory strikes me as wrong, since it lists a different role layout for each plot arc. Breakout arc is definitely wrong.

He Man: the lineup is definitely wrong; compared to its character sheets, these roles are just shoehorned. This is even more obvious in the Princess Of Power listing.

Moxie Teenz: only four people. Polly Pocket: seven people.

So again, nuked about half the page.
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65 JustaUsername2nd Jul 2012 06:51:59 AM from Melbourne, Australia , Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
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I'm sorry but I have to bring this up.

Why are we still using The Chick trope in Five-Man Band? It's a subtrope of The Face which is more gender neutral and overall versatile.

Heck, The Face trope says it's part of the Five-Man Band.

edited 2nd Jul '12 6:52:40 AM by JustaUsername

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66 Spark92nd Jul 2012 05:05:10 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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You should probably open a new TRS thread for that. This thread here is just about implementing the decision made in the previous TRS thread.
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67 JustaUsername2nd Jul 2012 06:56:28 PM from Melbourne, Australia , Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
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[up]Okay. But first, should I write this TRS for The Chick or the Five-Man Band?

Sorry, this will be my first Trope Repair Shop I created, so I'm a bit inexperienced.
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68 Spark93rd Jul 2012 04:36:03 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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[up] Well, you're suggesting a change to the Five-Man Band, so that's the most fitting.
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69 lu1273rd Jul 2012 05:04:16 PM from 七夜 , Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
The Chick is in the Five-Man Band by word of Eddie.
But the Five-Man Band is really supposed to be based on role, not on gender. That's where The Face comes in. Yes, many bands do have just one female, but she's not always The Chick. Besides, the rules of the trope are now strict enough recently without saying that the Token Girl must be The Heart or the Team Mom.
71 Spark99th Jul 2012 05:06:37 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Once again, you should probably open a new TRS thread for that. This thread here is just about implementing the decision made in the previous TRS thread.
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72 Spark99th Jul 2012 05:15:28 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Okay, looking at video games A-C.

Ace Attorney: I'm dubious about having roles that only work in one episode (or case), but the first one is definitely wrong as it has the wrong roles.

Agarest Senki: too many people. Age of Mythology, too. And Albion, Anachronox, Angry Birds (is that a joke or what?), Ape Escape.

Arcana Heart: too much speculation and justification needed.

Baldur's Gate: the game doesn't work that way; you can pick your own party members, and there are more than four options for those.

Baten Kaitos: two characters have a double role.

Batallion Wars Infantry: those aren't characters. City of Heroes too.

Blood II: four members. Border Lands, too.

Bully: "last mission only" doesn't qualify.

Call Of Duty Modern Warfare: wrong roles. Command & Conquer: Renegade, too.

Clive Barker's Jericho: too many people.

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74 JustaUsername9th Jul 2012 09:18:04 AM from Melbourne, Australia , Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Psionic Little Dragon
Okay, created the trope repair shop about how The Chick applies to the Five Man Band.

I felt this topic could have been started in better hands...I feel I did a sloppy opening post...

EDIT: And Eddie morgues the topic because he said so...urgh...

edited 9th Jul '12 9:26:27 AM by JustaUsername

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75 Spark910th Jul 2012 01:20:19 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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[up][up] That it's coincidental rather than a pattern. If character X never acts like The Smart Guy except during episode fifteen, then he's not The Smart Guy.
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