Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Lost in Space
Oh, right. Well then I retract my objection to NRLEP'ing it, although one could observe that there are still Real Life cases of people leading a country to victory/revolution/whatever and then being made head of state. Quite a few in fact.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Thumbed it down, partly because the reason cited is wrong.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Why is it wrong? Unless resticted to major characters the trope is People Sit on Chairs.
*Sigh* Look mate, the trope is not about random crownings. Whether the characters are main or no really doesn't matter. Please do not misuse People Sit On Chairs.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lost in Space
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Being made head of state in a story is never PSOC. That's a gross misunderstanding.
edited 8th Feb '13 11:47:36 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I'm got mixed feelings on this, but for I say vote it down on the understanding that someone will go through and clean up the section to remove natter, bad examples etc. Still, I'm open to the idea of cutting the whole section.
I guess it really depends on how strictly we want to define the word "character" and whether or not that word is essential to the core of the trope (person saves country, gets put in charge of the country).
Incidently, I strongly suspect the name has led to misuse, but that is a TRS issue so I don't want to go into depth about it here. Just throwing it out for people to have in the back on their minds when some TRS slots start opening up.
edited 8th Feb '13 2:44:02 PM by Catbert
No, the other one.
Well, at any rate, I removed the obvious misuse with the Academy Award bit.
Check out my fanfiction!
"In distress", my ass.
After the currently open ones are decidednote , I think we may want to consider a new crowner. This one has been in since the end of November, and there's a good number of resolved issues bulking up the list.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Is there a time limit on waiting until consensus?
edited 9th Feb '13 8:44:48 AM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
It's in the crowner description.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
At least 10 votes and 48 hours. So everything on this crowner will be callable as of tomorrow (as Awesome Moment of Crowning was added yesterday).
"In distress", my ass.
Septimus, I think Arcades meant for those that don't reach a consensus for cutting the RL section. Those that do meet the requirements aren't the problem I was talking about in my previous post in this thread.
(Admittedly, neither of the two outstanding tropes look like they're ever going to clear the voting hurdle for "cut that shit".)
edited 9th Feb '13 11:53:17 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
We should use the same standard there - call items that don't get consensus as "no consensus".
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
That's what we've done with the past crowners.
Reymmã
I would like to nominate Oxymoronic Being, but with a caveat: many of the examples currently under "Real Life" are valid insofar as their name or classification seems contradictory. (Or is that another trope?) We could also keep cases of reactions of this sort to real animals such as the platypus. But we need to make clear that these are artifacts of our limited understanding of the natural world. Other entries, such as "viviparous reptiles", need to go with or without the NRLEP tag.
I'd be willing to sort the article out myself once a decision is reached.
A blog that gets updated on a geological timescale.
Re Oxymoronic Being: Why is that page up for consideration? ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Also, I rewrote the crowner options a bit.
edited 12th Feb '13 2:32:03 AM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Okay, everything on here has been on for at least four days, so I think this crowner can be closed. I created a new one here.
Reymmã
The thing is, Oxymoronic Being is not just described but defined as something that cannot exist. It should not have real animals.
A blog that gets updated on a geological timescale.
It seems to be primarily about names, though. Things like the no-eyed big-eyed wolf spider, tailless tailed bat, and jumbo shrimp would seem to fit in fine.
I just noticed that Necromantic is yet another villain trope with a real life section. It only has one example, but still...
I thought Kangaroo Court had been previously brought up?
Also, what is the rule about reality tv? Some of the examples on Intervention seem to be judging real people.
"In distress", my ass.
Technically, Strawman News Media now meets the minimum vote ratio requirement (16:8), but given that it spend well over a day at 1.88:1 (15:8) even as the guy who proposed the addition to the crowner in the first place I think that we probably should not make it NRLEP.
Awesome Moment of Crowning, however, is a clear keep. Barring a concerted campaign it's not going to overcome a 5:16 (1:3.2) vote ratio against making in NRLEP.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
On the subject of Strawman News Media, I don't think it's necessarily even about strawmen in the first place - the War On Straw tropes are notoriously iffy in what counts.
But it is a trope about demonizing a media source, and that makes it a candidate for NRLEP in my book.
I am keeping my downvote on Strawman News Media, by the way - it never has caused any problems and these examples are the templates for many fictional examples.
Regardless, the trope description in Strawman News Media doesn't look like it's about straw arguments, so I would delete the "pro" in the crowner for being misleading.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Awesome Moment of Crowning: This trope is a lot more specific than just a coronation being awesome.
The trope is defined as follows:
edited 8th Feb '13 10:17:30 AM by Catbert