Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 4 February 2018):

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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. If it's really bad, the entire section may have to be removed. But hey, if someone feels like cleaning it up, it might be saved.

If you think an article should be filed under No Real Life Examples, Please!, then this thread is the place to discuss it. State the reasons and add it to the crowner.

edited 29th Nov '16 9:27:01 AM by Madrugada

1026 RevolutionStone3rd Jan 2013 09:23:31 PM from City of Devils, City of Angels , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unprofessional does NOT need real life examples. Though I can think of quite a few (and I think we all can) I'm just imagining the nightmare here if, say, someone adds Barack Obama and someone else adds a Republican equivalent, or if, say, someone adds Gackt and Gackt fans find out...
"a feeling a little bit embarrassed" (you've been a bad, bad fic. You will be edited.)

Whoa, that goes into talking about murders and dictators. That is bordering on becoming an evil trope.

edited 4th Jan '13 12:44:39 AM by reub2000

1028 AnotherDuck3rd Jan 2013 09:47:19 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[up][up]I can agree with that. The main reason is that it's quite rude to put someone there. While there can be some objective evidence for it, it still comes off as singling people out for it, which is not good. It is a potential source of edit wars and stuff, but it doesn't show as is. Haven't checked the history, though.

Edit: I added It's All About Me to the crowner.

edited 3rd Jan '13 9:49:54 PM by AnotherDuck

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1029 32_Footsteps5th Jan 2013 04:48:54 PM from Just north of Arkham , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
Going over the Permanent Red Link Club, I noticed that Lickspittle was put in there for being a complaint magnet, and that the In-Universe version was already covered by Yes-Man. That said, Yes-Man is not listed for No Real Life Examples, Please! and it does have a small real life section.

It's not attracting any controversy at the moment (that I can see), but it seems incongruous to have taken one page that was "Yes Man, but in Real Life," permanently ban it from the site, but still allow real life examples on Yes Man itself. I move to place the trope on NRLEP and cut said section; I don't think the list adds anything to the understanding of the page, it's potentially insulting, and one page containing the same content was previously banned from the site due to abuse.
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1030 AnotherDuck5th Jan 2013 05:06:12 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[up]I agree. Two of them weren't Real Life, though. One joke and one proverb. I created an Other folder and put them there.
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1031 SeptimusHeap6th Jan 2013 02:40:21 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
That page was for complaining about fans. These are far more volatile than most Real Life sections. Not supporting cutting just yet.
1032 Nohbody6th Jan 2013 06:24:31 AM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
Calling It's All About Me - Added 3rd Jan '13 at 09:49:29 PM, 18:1 (19)
In uffish thought
UsefulNotes.Suicide has a nice big real life section about people who killed themselves, but Driven to Suicide has a NRLEP tag. Shall I put UN/S on the crowner or just cut it right out?
1034 SeptimusHeap7th Jan 2013 11:27:56 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Is Driven to Suicide about suicide in general? If no, I wouldn't go ahead like that.
1035 SeptimusHeap8th Jan 2013 07:28:27 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Also, I need to remind to keep the subpages of Real Life clean of these tropes.

Also, a question: Are we supposed to replace No Real Life Examples, Please! notes with the markup wiki-wide?

edited 8th Jan '13 7:28:38 AM by SeptimusHeap

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[up][up] Driven to Suicide is about suicide generally. (Well, it focuses on the reasons for suicide, but it's still about all forms of suicide.)

I would think the real life examples on UsefulNotes.Suicide can probably be axed, one because it seems to be a workaround of the NRLEP on the trope page and two because I don't think it's providing a better understanding of the topic for use in fiction, which is what Useful Notes are for.
1037 Fighteer8th Jan 2013 08:16:19 AM from the Time Vortex , Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
What, is it just a list of times when someone committed suicide? Umm, yeah. Nuke as pointless.
1038 SeptimusHeap8th Jan 2013 08:39:00 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
That particular Real Life section would be better off in Wikipedia, if only because it's a list of notable suicides.
1039 RJSavoy13th Jan 2013 09:49:05 AM from Edinburgh , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
What to do with Heroic Albino? It has a section with three entries, one of which is a lapalassian statement about real albinos, one about lab rats is of some interest but doesn't really fit (it's only heroic if it's willing), and one which might fit under a mythology folder. (Is it alright to apply a heroic trope to real but revered beings, treating the belief as fiction?) I'll be willing to fix it myself if this is the right MO.
Seeking for Light
[up] I went ahead and cut them all, as they're not examples of the trope (the third one doesn't fit because being seen as holy is not the same thing as being heroic). Plus the first one violates the "no generic examples" guideline.
1041 Willbyr13th Jan 2013 03:19:57 PM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
You Have Researched Breathing - this one's RL section seems completely pointless.
1042 SeptimusHeap13th Jan 2013 03:21:40 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
While I think the description is bad and the current RL examples too, I don't think it merits NRLEP.
1043 RJSavoy13th Jan 2013 05:06:38 PM from Edinburgh , Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Isn't the entire point of that article about games contradicting the real world (with no justification in the setting), hence inapplicable to reality?

And the current RL section is pretty bad even considering that.
1044 AnotherDuck13th Jan 2013 10:14:57 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I went ahead and cut the Real Life section on You Have Researched Breathing. Those are not examples of the trope. It's just regular evolution.
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1045 SeptimusHeap14th Jan 2013 01:51:14 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
@1043: Not according to the laconic, or the description.
I would like to nominate Creepy Twins. I don't think we need to be calling real folks creepy, especially in connection to something you are born with and can't control, like being a twin.
1047 SeptimusHeap14th Jan 2013 10:09:25 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Nomination supported.
In uffish thought
Twins can use creepiness to earn money in real life — at a freak show or similar — but that could probably go in a medium folder if someone adds such an example. Nothing in the current real life section fits anyway.
1049 AnotherDuck14th Jan 2013 10:35:58 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Most are about twins who're twin-like (the Sedin brothers gif was kinda funny) rather than creepy, or nazis, which isn't creepy for being twins. The last example is the only one that kind of actually fits the trope. Like before, we could just delete them for being wrong, but this is a trope that's not just suited for Real Life examples, I believe.
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1050 Nohbody15th Jan 2013 08:02:31 AM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
BTW, y'all know you don't have to nominate and get secondings to add a voting item, right? Just add it, and make a post to let people know there's a new item to vote on. If it doesn't have support, it won't get voted up, as has happened in a couple of older crowners as I recall.

Creepy Twins added, on that note. tongue

And on an unrelated note, I know animated GIFs aren't allowed as page images, but is linking them acceptable? Seems to me the same problem of trolling with gifs exists even if it's just a link instead of showing directly.

edited 15th Jan '13 8:05:01 AM by Nohbody

Page Action: Real Life Section Maintenance 54
4th Feb '18 11:35:26 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
These are pages that have been proposed to have their Real Life sections cut and tagged to not be recreated. Please discuss pages before adding them to the crowner. Entries made without discussion are subject to deletion.

Vote UP to indicate you think the Page should have NO Real Life examples.

Vote DOWN to allow Real Life examples.

Items that have been stricken (like so) have already been decided, meeting the following requirements:
  • They have ten or more total votes,
  • have been on the crowner for at least 48 hours, measured from when the addition of the new crowner entry is announced in a thread post,
  • and are stable with at least a 2:1 vote ratio.

No further voting is needed on those items.

To check if something has already been voted on, please see Keep Real Life Examples.

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