Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Maybe we need to zero in what the trope means then? It Does seem vague.
edited 25th Oct '12 4:21:35 PM by shoboni
So start a TRS thread to determine a new definition for the trope, and then decide if the new definition can take RL examples?
TRS is too backed up right now to start a new thread.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Since it's not a morality trope(I see more like Scary Musician, Harmless Music) I vote we take it off the crowner for now.
edited 25th Oct '12 8:12:53 PM by shoboni
NRLEP isn't just for morality tropes, though. It's also for things that are impossible in real life (because they require scripts, character archetypes, camera/lighting work, magic, etc.), things that are natter magnets or too controversial to cover, etc.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
True, but since the trope needs clarified I say we pull the vote, get it fixed, then go from there if it still looks like it needs the RL pulled.
edited 25th Oct '12 8:53:26 PM by shoboni
As someone who's definitely in favor of "it's not a trope", I don't think that cutting the Real Life examples from Strange Girl is necessary when the page itself might be cut.
Although that said, there's no need to take it off the crowner - just downvote it.
I think that Radar.Real Life needs to be cut.
Getting Crap Past the Radar is defined as:
"The practice — usually found on but not limited to comedies — of placing content inappropriate for the target age, such as profanity or sexual content past the network censors."
Real Life does not have network censors or a target age.
Most of the examples listed are also Accidental Innuendo at best, and at worse simply a chance for tropers to demonstrate their immaturaty and their inability to realize that words such as "beaver" have perfectly valid non-sexual meanings and that it is possible for a place that has the the word "beaver" in its name to be talking about small furry animals, not female human anatomy.
edited 26th Oct '12 4:56:44 AM by Catbert
No, the other one.
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I see some Radar examples that can go under other categories, like at lesat one radio example, and the horse names and licence plates to go under some censoring rules. However, those should probably go under Other. But mainly, they're just not examples of the trope, Real Life or not.
I'd suggest moving what can be moved, either to other categories, or to Accidental Innuendo, and then see if there's even anything left. It's less that I think we should disallow Real Life examples, and more that there might just not be any at all.
What could potentially be a Real Life example? A carefully worded political statement? Getting around war/propaganda censors? Rules Lawyering actual laws for this purpose?
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Agree on all points. There are no media examples either.
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@shoboni: If you don't think that it should be marked NRLEP, then downvote it on the crowner. You don't have veto power.
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I was just making a suggestion.
edited 26th Oct '12 8:32:19 AM by shoboni
To be fair, every Getting Crap Past the Radar page has that kind of stuff going on.
True, but real life doesn't really have a Radar to get past.
Oh, I agree with cutting it. Just pointing out that that's not a reason to.
It's certainly bad, but it's not a unique problem of the real life page alone.
"In distress", my ass.
Calling:
- Jerk with a Heart of Gold - Added 24th Oct '12 at 06:40:36 AM, 3.80:1 (24 votes)
- Strange Girl - Added 24th Oct '12 at 07:38:47 AM, 2.13:1 (25 votes)
I see examples like the horse names, or the San Diego Zoo, where someone did slip something past people that where a asleep. But most of Radar.Real Life should probably go.
I still say we should hold off a strange girl until we get the page fixed.
No, the other one.
Did someone change an upvote to a downvote on Strange Girl because it was called?
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I put in my downvote a couple days ago, so it wasn't me.
Did someone change an upvote to a downvote on Strange Girl because it was called?
Yeah, that's pretty common. They're (I assume) trying to sink it to the bottom of the list.
No, the other one.
I'm refraining from assuming, which is why I'm asking. Mainly, I'm not sure it was stable, and unstable crowners are bad to call, especially close to the accept/decline mark.
Radar.Real Life... I don't get it. How does such a trope work in real life? To me the page is like a an alternate supertrope to Double Entendre, which, needless to say, does not allow Real Life examples. The overall concept is implicit vulgar Double Meanings, and let me tell you, there's a damned good reason why If You Know What I Mean is perma-redlinked (I can't even type it, it wordfilters to the new name!), especially after The Second Google Incident. A few dicks use it to spread their own perversion, making the innocent majority of us look like creeps. When it comes to user-generated content, Google does not distinguish between these two camps.
edited 26th Oct '12 8:38:54 PM by AmateurPolymath
The fact that Light Is Not Good is being upvoted puzzles me. Most of the Real Life examples on that page are things being called "not good", not people. And even then, being called "not good" isn't the same as being called "evil".
Time to leave them all behind
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Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
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Well, I'm voting to keep the Real Life examples on Strange Girl, since I think that's a perfect descriptor for people like Bjork and Evanna Lynch.
edited 25th Oct '12 2:10:40 PM by AnotherDuck
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