Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
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I mean political tinderbox because it treaded onto subject matter about education and civil rights, which the two are both proven flamebait by some of the NRLEP tropes about them.
Huge Schoolgirl has a lot of generic or zero-context examples, and they may not even fit the "schoolgirl" part.
edited 3rd May '17 9:21:18 AM by MitchellProductions
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Blapper of Water
Huge Schoolgirl is pretty much troping RL persons. There's really nothing "public persona" about almost all of those. Even the sports examples don't seem salvageable.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Zzzzzzzzzz
They also don't address the "causes her to be uncomfortable or ill-at-ease". They're just "is taller than typical. I did just cull out the ones that weren't teen-agers or weren't taller than 5'10 (arbitrary number, 'cause I'm American and 5'6" just doesn't seem unreasonably tall to me... :P)
I'll support adding this one to the crowner for Troping Real People.
edited 3rd May '17 9:36:37 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
I'll second (third?) that.
Oh God! Natural light!
Blapper of Water
I put it on the crowner.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
"In distress", my ass.
Not an NRLEP issue, but at a quick glance I saw an entry or two about males on Huge Schoolgirl. Misuse of the trope subject to deletion?
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Pending:
- Formerly Fat: Added 2nd May '17 at 12:17:02 PM, 13:0
- Formerly Fit: Added 2nd May '17 at 12:16:12 PM, 13:0
- Huge Schoolgirl: Added 3rd May '17 at 10:56:16 AM, 8:1 (9)
Defusing The Tykebomb has only one real life example, and it is short and may count as a generic example. Should I remove it?
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Zzzzzzzzzz
Yes.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Removed.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
"In distress", my ass.
Calling to make NRLEP:
- Formerly Fat: Added 2nd May '17 at 12:17:02 PM, 15:0
- Formerly Fit: Added 2nd May '17 at 12:16:12 PM, 16:0
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Pending:
- Huge Schoolgirl: Added 3rd May '17 at 10:56:16 AM, 13:1 (14)
Likely to clear the NRLEP minimums, but still has to percolate a little.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
"In distress", my ass.
Calling Huge Schoolgirl for NRLEP. Added 3rd May '17 at 10:56:16 AM, 14:1 (15)
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Nothing pending as of this post.
All your safe space are belong to Trump
This thread was dying down since after spring break. I did not have good enough ideas during this time except for Huge Schoolgirl, which I found after reading about Aloof Dark-Haired Girl, a trope that was NRLEP for "attracting natter".
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Not that kind of doctor
Mitchell Productions, this is a thread for reporting and dealing with existing problems in Real Life sections—if the activity in a problem-reporting thread dies down because no one is finding problems, that is a good thing. Inventing problems to keep the thread going isn't the goal here.
Sorcerer in training
Added Artistic License – Law and Artistic License – Paleontology to the crowner.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Artistic License – Law does not have a real life section.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Blapper of Water
A look at the history shows that it used to have excessive annotations explaining the tropes from a RL perspective, effectively meaning that the subtrope list was the RL section.
Should any of that information on Artistic License – Paleontology be put into a Useful Notes page or their own tropes in TLP? I mean, has that process already begun, really.
edited 9th May '17 9:06:55 AM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
I rarely know if something is natter note , except for the stereotypical "Actually, what REALLY happened was Y".
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Zzzzzzzzzz
I think that on AL-Law the subtropes should have a brief explanation of why they're artistic License. Not the paragraphs and paragraphs that they had before, but not nothing, either.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Their explanations were recently removed.
Zzzzzzzzzz
Oy. Take a look at Hoist by His Own Petard. 
That's got to go, or at least have a time limit set on it — I'd say no more recent than 100 years.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
"In distress", my ass.
From a glance at it, HoistByHisOwnPetard.Real Life looks more like a "needs general curating" issue than NRLEP-specific attention, though I may have missed something in the skim.
I can't say I'd shed too many tears at that RL subpage being either severely truncated or outright excised, however. 
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Pending:
- Artistic License – Paleontology: Added 8th May '17 at 09:38:28 PM, 3.5:1 (9)
- Artistic License – Law: Added 8th May '17 at 09:23:54 PM, 2.33:1 (10)
edited 10th May '17 5:29:22 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Oversized Garden Ornament
Regarding Artistic License – Law and similar pages: the walls of text explaining how things work in Real Life would work better as a Useful Note, I think. I also agree with Madrugada that there should be some explanation of why something is considered Artistic License.
I suppose one problem about the Law page in particular is that if you ask a lawyer for a concise explanation of some point of law, they often can't give you one; legal matter tend to have to be explained in detail because there are so many conditions for when various rules apply.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I added both tropes about physique change (Formerly Fit and Formerly Fat).