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Unclear Definition (new crowner 9/18): Planet Eris get usage counts

 151 Septimus Heap, Fri, 8th Feb '13 9:58:10 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
140 is good for me.

World's Toughest Milkman
Since we're on a new page of discussion, some courtesy links: the proposed rewrites are in posts 129 and 140.

They're both by me, so I'm pretty neutral. Septimus seems to favor 140, Johnnye; 129. Some more opinions would be really helpful. I think I might lean slightly more towards 140 myself.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Raven Wilder
Those descriptions sound pretty good to me; only thing I'd add is a brief demonstrative example of the Alice and Bob variety to give an idea of what you mean. Other than that, I'd say go for it.
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]I'm pleased you like them, but was really hoping for you to express a preference for one over the other, since we can't use both. :)

I am extremely reluctant to try to create an Alice and Bob example, because I think this trope is broad enough that any such example would either be misleadingly narrow or much too long. Example As Thesis and Wall of Text are both bad things.

But if you want to try to write up an Alice and Bob example, we can at least consider whether it's worth adding.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 155 Septimus Heap, Thu, 14th Feb '13 10:13:11 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Please no Alice and Bob junk. These things always take much space that could be left to an actual description.

Raven Wilder
[up][up] They both seem pretty much the same to me, differing only by a few words.

As for an example, I was thinking something like this:

A vampire roommate, or a ninja school next door, or a talking elephant who hunts aliens for sport can all be introduced, without worrying about having them make sense in the same setting.
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]I think it already makes that point well enough. Listing more things that could appear in such a work just gets silly after a while.

Anyway, the crowner is starting to look pretty stable, so we should probably make some sort of decision soon. I'm inclined to go with the description in 140, just because it's my second attempt.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
World's Toughest Milkman
Bump. Is it time to call this?
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 159 Septimus Heap, Wed, 27th Feb '13 12:17:02 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Yes. It's no longer on Latest Vote Catchers - the venue I have started to use to tell whether a crowner is stable.

 160 Editor Pall Mall, Sun, 3rd Mar '13 7:16:53 AM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
World Of Weirdness is going to cause a lot of misapplied examples potentially. People will think the trope is used to describe "weird" settings when we are trying to give it a more specific definition. In my opinion it should be eliminated as a possibility.

Also the name is not fun. "Planet Eris" was a bad name, but at least it had character.
Keep it breezy!
 161 Noaqiyeum, Sun, 3rd Mar '13 10:20:05 AM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
[up] The first is precisely my problem with it. It's concise and (slightly) witty, but far too vague.

edited 3rd Mar '13 10:20:15 AM by Noaqiyeum

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 162 Septimus Heap, Sun, 3rd Mar '13 10:21:23 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Do you have a better name?

 163 Noaqiyeum, Sun, 3rd Mar '13 10:28:08 AM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
I did. Smorgasbord Setting is the only one that seems to still be competitive, though.
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 164 Septimus Heap, Sun, 3rd Mar '13 10:30:00 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
For the record, I upvoted both green options because of the vagueness concerns.

 165 Editor Pall Mall, Sun, 3rd Mar '13 10:50:55 AM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
[up][up][up]"Smorgasbord Setting" works. It's a clever name and would probably lead to less misapplied examples.

Alternatively, "World of Odds and Ends" and "World Of Miscellany" hits the nail on the head (although they are not as fun).

edited 3rd Mar '13 10:52:13 AM by EditorPallMall

Keep it breezy!
 166 Editor Pall Mall, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 8:13:54 AM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
Did we never come to a consensus to rename this trope?
Keep it breezy!
 167 Spark 9, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 8:21:52 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Yes we did, months ago. I think the current attached crowner is to pick a name, it has just never been called.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 168 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 9:17:28 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Yep. Here.

For the record:

 169 Editor Pall Mall, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 9:19:56 AM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
Can we have one last vote between Smorgasbord Setting and World of Weirdness? The latter is not as clever of a name as the former.
Keep it breezy!
 170 Spark 9, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 9:24:18 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
23-9 should be sufficient consensus to rename, wouldn't it?
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 171 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 9:24:42 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Yes. What sort of vote?

 172 Editor Pall Mall, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 9:46:56 AM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
[up][up]This is true, but as I said in 160, World Of Weirdness is not a very good name. The runner-up, Smorgasbord Setting, is much better.

[up]Vote by post. Choose either World of Weirdness or Smorgasbord setting. The name that gets more votes than the other is what Planet Eris gets renamed to. Set a date for when voting ends; no more than a few days.

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:14:23 AM by EditorPallMall

Keep it breezy!
 173 Spark 9, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:19:51 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Excuse me, but if we just had a months-long crowner with several dozen participants and a clear outcome, why exactly would we want to do it all over again just because someone doesn't like the outcome?
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 174 Septimus Heap, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:22:39 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Clear outcome? One has more votes but the other has more consensus.

 175 Editor Pall Mall, Tue, 23rd Apr '13 10:25:46 AM from United States, East Coast
Don't Fear the Spiders
I'll just quote myself:

''World Of Weirdness is going to cause a lot of misapplied examples potentially. People will think the trope is used to describe "weird" settings when we are trying to give it a more specific definition. In my opinion it should be eliminated as a possibility.

Also the name is not fun. "Planet Eris" was a bad name, but at least it had character."''

I have not read a compelling argument in favor of World of Weirdness. Smorgasbord Setting, on the other hand, leaves far less room for misapplied examples and is a clever name.

As I do realize my opinions do not reflect everyone else's so I would rather put it to a final vote instead of filibustering the page from ever being renamed. I know I am asking for a few more days to fix the article but if we decide on Smorgasbord Setting instead of World of Weirdness it would work out much better in the long run.

edited 23rd Apr '13 10:26:33 AM by EditorPallMall

Keep it breezy!

Alternative Titles: Planet Eris 2
12th Dec '12 2:13:11 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
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