This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
Lost in Space
Is there something that distinguishes them especially from other webcomics?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Tsundere pet.
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They're pretty much formatted like dead-tree manhwa, not like webcomics. I've seen suggestions to put them under Manhwa.
Lost in Space
So, similar to dead-tree Western comics that are scanned and put up on the web? If so, then sure, Manhwa sounds appropriate.
edited 24th Apr '12 8:44:17 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Post No. 146:
I see that my perception that Disney/ was originally intended for Disney Animated Canon was correct, after all. I've recently updated the Namespace Map to "for all Disney films", but I think limiting it to Disney Animated Canon is actually better.
People keep asking whether Pixar films etc. go to Disney/, and no one seems to know the answer on these questions. Whereas "Disney Animated Canon only" seems to be a fairly unambiguous criterion.
An unrelated issue: The Namespace Map says under WebVideo/:
What does this actually mean? That Vlog Series, Abridged Series and Gag Dubs go to WebVideo/? For the latter two are still listed under "types of works that don't have a namespace assigned". Sorry I have to ask this, but I didn't keep track with the recent decisions.edited 30th Apr '12 6:46:25 AM by LordGro
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Is there general agreement then that /Disney should remain just Disney Animated Canon until someone makes a convincing argument otherwise?
Should Main.Albert Einstein be moved/namespaced?
If so, to what namespace?
edited 2nd May '12 6:46:43 AM by DarkConfidant
Lost in Space
People aren't tropes. Given that we treat him as a media figure and not as a creator, it should probably go under Useful Notes.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Can the tropes applied to him, as well as his references in popular fiction remain on the page?
As soon as I get the requisite clarification, I'll go ahead and do the namespacing.
edited 2nd May '12 7:12:59 AM by DarkConfidant
Lost in Space
Yes, they can.
We have a lot of articles on "famous people" that aren't namespaced: Barack Obama, George W Bush, George Washington...
Didn't we at one point agree to put them all somewhere? I can't remember now. May be best to hold off until we get clarification.
edited 2nd May '12 7:20:33 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Eh, I've kind of already started. :/ If I should stop, would you mind reverting said edits since it's a lot easier for you to do as a moderator than for me as a user?
Lost in Space
Well, I guess you can go ahead and continue the project. I personally think all those articles should go in Useful Notes. Let's not arbitrarily undo stuff that may have to be re-re-undone later or whatever. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Fair enough. Useful Notes/ seems better than Main/, and if we have to change it to a different name later, well, I haven't created more work for whoever moves it later.
@Gro: In regards to the Gag Dubs and Abridged Series being under WebVideo/, I actually brought up that scenario when we're voting on what namespaces to replace WebOriginal/ with.
Neither FanVid/ nor AbridgedSeries/ did pass, and ccoa did say (before the vote closed) that in the case that these two ideas are voted against, WebVideo/ would be the most sensible choice, so there they are for the meantime.
edited 2nd May '12 8:47:04 AM by EarlOfSandvich
I now go by Graf von Tirol.
I see - thanks for the update.
@Elle: Maybe we should have a crowner vote on the definition of the Disney/ namespace.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
I would like to suggest keeping the "Disney" namespace because the spin-off animated series, like "The Little Mermaid", should remain on the Western Animation namespace.
Magic people, voodoo people!
The choice is not between keeping Disney/ or not, but whether it should contain only the Disney Animated Canon, or generally "any animation by Disney" (though that brings up the question how we treat animation by separate studios that are owned by Disney, such as Pixar).
Or does your post mean that you want Disney/ reserved for Disney Animated Canon?
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Where should an article about the network TLC go?
Useful Notes is the namespace. Networks is the index.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Does anyone have a real answer to this?
Pages about video game consoles are going to be Useful Notes as well.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
Trying to make a crowner to sort out this whole Disney/ thing right now...
edited 6th May '12 12:48:23 PM by EarlOfSandvich
I now go by Graf von Tirol.
A crowner for what? The Disney/ namespace exists because putting these in the "normal" namespaces would create loads of duplication.
Yes, but the question still remains. I've seen a few works using the namespace that's not considered DAC, so I'm hoping this would sort things out.
I now go by Graf von Tirol.
The spin-off series based on the Disney Animated Canon should be spun off to Westen Animation.
Magic people, voodoo people!
Should Korean Webtoons (meaning comics, and not animated videos or flash) go under Webcomic/, or do they go under Manhwa/?
edited 23rd Apr '12 2:07:57 PM by movie007