All-Purpose Nasuverse Fanfiction Thread

Combining them wouldn't really work. HF and UBW's themes are totally at odds with each other and just can't be combined.

Did you even read the original?

edited 31st Aug '16 4:13:30 PM by SCMof2814

Nope. Only watched UBW and Fate Zero. I'm just expressing these feelings out of UBW anime story being flawed due to the medium it was transferred from, adapting this story in this way seems rather silly.

edited 31st Aug '16 4:16:39 PM by Archivist10

Nope. HF is pretty much incompatible with the other routes thematically.

Plus you just know if they fused the routes together they'd go for a harem.

Although a remake of an alt HF timeline following Rin with her ending up with a harem could be interesting...

The first anime tried to combine routes. Let's just say it didn't work all that well.

It could be done - it would require a fuckton of work, tho.

I think it'd be better to just stick to a route, which is what they went with. It's easier and gives them less chances of fucking it up.

Also, does anyone know if we have the full lineup for Extella? Or are there servants that are still unreleased?

Personally, I believe they should've filled up the cast with the servants from, y'know, EXTRA and CCC first...

To be honest the only thing the DEEN anime did that was really altered from the Fate route was adapting a bit of the Caster arc from UBW so that she and Assassin would have a chance to show off.

Which was a bit tacked on, but in the original route she literally shows up just to get impaled by Gilgamesh. Having her get a chance to shine in the spotlight neatly made sure that all the Servants got at least some time to be badass and show off why they were Heroic Spirits. The whole bit with Sakura there is probably the most tenuous, but overall I don't think the execution here was any worse than the general lack of polish the entire anime had.

Plus they animated the Archer/Berserker fight. Goddamn that's a badass fight.

The Archer/Berserker fight is the only good thing that anime has going for it.

To be fair, Caster is hilariously out of her depth in that war, and it's only through insane amounts of clever cheating and good luck that she manages to get as far as she does. Her showing up just to be killed makes perfect sense. She's the weakest Servant in the war by far. And that's including EMIYA, whose schtick is being weaker than everyone else.

I don't know. When she attacks them in the Fate route she seems to actually have the advantage, only for Gilgamesh to appear out of nowhere and fuck everything up.

He even no sells her attempt to escape. The entire scenario is set up just to kill her, and she damn near lampshades how ridiculously unfair the situation is as she's being torn apart by thousands of swords.

It's arguably darkly funny when you think about it.

edited 31st Aug '16 7:33:54 PM by HandsomeRob

Assassin is so weak, you forgot about him.

Yeah, but...

Wait. Which Assassin?

Cause both of them get to do something: Kojiro fights Saber equally, while True Assassin manages to actually kill Lancer (with help from the Shadow, but still).

Assassin is so weak, the only one worthy of channeling his spirit is Shinji.

Medea without the temple and leylines would be so hilariously fucked in the Grail War that I can't even begin to describe it.

Seriously, chances are she would be literally unable to scratch Saber at all in the worst case scenario for her. Without Ryuudou Temple EMIYA could likely kill her from halfway across Fuyuki with minimal effort.

Medea didn't last as long as she did because she's powerful, though she is, Medea lasted as long as she did because she's apparently very, very good at not dying.

Keep in mind that Rin can hand Medea her ass in a silver platter if it comes down to a fistfight, and Rin would lose 99/100 against every other servant. I was gonna make a joke about Tamamo being able to fistfight Rin but then I remembered that Tamamo actually trains in CCC and winds up strong enough to be a legitimate threat in hand to hand... and creates the Polygamist Castration Fist.

Just to note, Angra Mainyu is mentioned in UBW, during Gil's exposition sequence right after the Shirou vs. Archer fight, basically explaining that the Grail is actually functionally worthless as far as the Servants are concerned and why the Grail is especially worthless to everyone but him and Kirei in this particular cycle. I don't think he gets into the explanation as to why Angra Mainyu is in the Grail, but he does mention the name multiple times.

How about Avenger? I haven't seen Hollow Ataraxia, but isn't his whole shtick he's pathetically weak? How would he do in hand to hand?

Come to think about it, Rin should be able to pummel the crap out of Andersen as well, shouldn't she?

I think it's interesting that the final Medea scene in Fate otherwise starts out pretty much how the confrontation on the bridge in UBW starts off - the only difference is that in UBW there isn't a Gilgamesh Interrupt.

Which is probably why they chose to do it that way - it's the easiest place for them to insert something that gives Caster a chance to show off, and Gilgamesh ganking her when she's in her Temple, at pretty much her strongest, makes his overwhelming power seem greater.

I've been considering trying to write a unified route that has all the Servants get a chance to show off, but that'd require tangenting off into original territory pretty much off the bat. Also one that actually has the fight scenes that the UBW anime openings showed off. Lancer versus Berserker? An actual serious Archer versus Caster? Caster versus Lancer chase scene on the highway? Those all sound like really cool set-ups. Especially Lancer versus Berserker.

Speaking of Angra Mainyu/Ahriman... What about his good counterpart, Ahura Mazda/Ohrmazd? If the "god of evil" was actually a mortal human, what if he had a twin brother who the village worshipped as the pinnacle of human goodness, and actually was basically a saint who was horrified by what the villagers were doing to his brother but couldn't do anything to end his suffering, so he tried to help in whatever ways he could? That might be interesting.

At least in FSN canon, it was mentioned that most Casters actually pretty bad at direct combat, sans exception like Chu Culainn or Scathach that has strong martial legend that their legendary prowess basically seeps in to their class. That's why most Casters need Temple; they are mostly meant to fight defensively, thinks like fixed artilery or something like that.

At long last, the critically-acclaimed Ballad of Coyote Bongwater continues, and his first significant move in the Holy Grail War is to....... play tag with a little girl.

@OM

Angry Mango is, indeed, a weaksauce servant but he would still kick Rin's ass in hand to hand.

And no, far as the lore has mentioned, the other half of the pantheon does not exist.

The problem is not that Rin isn't strong enough to kick Angry Mango's ass, the problem is that being equivalent of doing fistfight with a Glowing One

No, that's not the problem. Angry Mango doesn't really have the ability to corrupt servants or humans like the grail does. Angry Mango is canonically the weakestsaucest of the weaksauce servants, and even his Noble Phantasm is absolute garbage.

Yeah, there's a distinction between "Angra Mainyu, the Servant" and "Angra Mainyu, the Eldritch Abomination who would become a genuine God of Evil that will end the world if the Greater Grail is allowed to 'give birth' to him at the end of a properly concluded Grail War". They're two faces of the same coin, in that they're more or less independent sub-entities of one entity... and, as FHA demonstrates, the Servant sub-entity can very well decide to defy the rest of his self and try to wreck the evil plan.

I seem to remember Kirei dropping Angra Manyu's name in the Fate route during his showdown with Shirou. I only recall that cause it seemed to come out of nowhere.