General Page Quote Discussion:

^^ It... really doesn't. It presents a semantic distinction (Strong Female Characters vs. Strong Characters, Female) but doesn't define what that distinction is, so it doesn't really add anything to what seems to me to be a perfectly clear and elegant trope description.

It also oversimplifies a complex issue by implying that the problem described by the trope can be solely attributed to clueless male writers misinterpreting the wants of feminists, as though both the cluelessness of the former and the wants of the latter were universal and monolithic.

edited 19th Oct '15 1:38:05 PM by HighCrate

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.CanonSue

Yeesh, this page quote needs help. Should it even HAVE one?

If page quotes are not required, then delete it or replace it. The Yahtzee quote is a little too mean for my tastes.

edited 21st Oct '15 8:56:30 PM by Karxrida

Ah, Yahtzee's humor. It's kind of like eating glass. I don't think the trope needs a quote but I'm open to suggestions.

edited 21st Oct '15 8:59:20 PM by DeisTheAlcano

The only possible page quote for Canon Sue I can imagine would be a totally non-specific one discussing the concept in general.

Certainly, though, I think it'd be better to have no quote at all than to have the current quote.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.VideogameCulture

Dere removed the quote off of Video Game Culture without discussion. I've re-added it, but since I don't particularly care for the quote either, I feel it's worth bringing up here. Does anyone have suggestions for better quotes and/or believe that the page would be better quoteless?

edited 22nd Oct '15 8:19:59 PM by MissMokushiroku

Bad quote is bad, I say cut it.

Pretty much what Karxrida said.

Also, Monty Haul has two quotes. I think the second one should go.

edited 24th Oct '15 9:03:21 PM by DeisTheAlcano

For Black-Tie Infiltration, I would like to suggest this line from National Treasure 2 as the proper page quote:

->Ben Gates: [as he's taking off his diving suit to reveal his tuxedo] Maybe one day I'll wear this to a party I'm actually invited to.

It seems to really cement the type of infiltration this trope describes.

I like that one.

Seconding that quote.

You don't even need to mention the diving suit, since the comment is about the tux.

Then, is this enough support to add it?

The quote for WesternAnimation.Cartoon All Stars To The Rescue has been changed unilaterally. Now, I can understand wanting a quote from the actual show rather than one from a reviewer talking about it, but I still think the previous one was a better descriptor.

Previous quote:
"All our favorite cartoon characters that we grew up with are coming together to talk to us about... drugs. (pause) This is going to be a long half-hour."
— The Nostalgia Critic

edited 26th Oct '15 7:01:39 AM by StFan

I would say so.

The last sentence is more opinion, while the rest could work.

Seconded.

The quote on Damsel Scrappy fits Distress Ball better, and the quote on that page fits... a trope that I'm not sure we have, but might need a ykttw.

I'm inclined to agree with both those points.

Agreeing on the points about the NC quote for the All-Stars and x2.

Okay, so no objection if I restore the Nostalgia Critic quote, without the opinion part?

Go ahead. Just stop it at "drugs" and that should work, since it sums up the special without outright bashing it.

The quote for Ate His Gun doesn't actually say anything about the trope, a person sticking a gun into their mouth to blow their brains out. From the quotes tab, the Vonegut quote from Breakfast of Champions makes it clear what the trope is about, though it might be a touch too long to be practical.

The Epic Rap Battles one is a bit long as far as line count goes, and without knowing the context the last quote from the tab makes no sense.

I agree. The one from Breakfast of Champions could be shortened but works better than the current one.

Any opinions on @3730, @3692, or @3669?

edited 30th Oct '15 7:37:10 AM by DeisTheAlcano

Re: Cornered Rattlesnake and Burning the Ships (this post):

Well, it is one difference between the two tropes, if not necessarily the only one.

The Sun Tzu quote speaks about a definitely voluntary act, done by the leader of the army. As much as the rest of the quote may be fitting, this is highly misleading for Cornered Rattlesnake. Cornered Rattlesnake does also not require the cornered party to win, or to turn invincible; so "there is nothing they cannot achieve" may not be hitting the nail on the head either.

There is, on the other hand, nothing that disqualifies the Sun Tzu quote from being the page quote on Burning the Ships. There are different aspects of Burning the Ships: it can be presented as a glorious stratagem of a great conqueror, or as a dirty trick by a villainous tyrant. The Sun Tzu quote expresses the former perspective, but this is, after all, the view you are most likely to encounter in pop culture.

The current quote on Burning the Ships is in essence only a dry paraphrase of the trope definition. It's 'acceptable', but the Sun Tzu quote captures the myth that surrounds "the conqueror burning his ships". I think that's ultimately a better pick.

edited 30th Oct '15 11:22:03 AM by LordGro

Face Death with Dignity has a complainy critic quote. It used to have a different one, but I can't remember what. Regardless, there's plenty to pick from on the quotes page. My vote is:

• "There is nothing proper about what you are doing, soldier, but do try to kill me properly."
  • — Last words of Cicero (attributed)