Alright, so in TRS Badass Gay came up for discussion and it was agreed that there appears to big problem with the Badass X tropes in general, which needs to be sorted out until something can be ruled on for Badass Gay.
Here's a courtesy link: TRS page
. And Badass page with its subtropes. You can also visit the sandbox page here.
Noted Problems include:
- Tropes are just listings of characters people thing are badass who happen to have a certain trait. (The Badass + Trait Problem)
- Badass X as a naming scheme is actually very vague and doesn't give a lot of insight into what the character trope actually is, assuming it is a trope.
- Badass X as a naming scheme proliferates the use of Badass + Trait 'tropes'.
Suggested things to do include:
- Make it a requirement that a badass character trope means a character is "badass because of a trait", or "badass in spite of a trait".
- Renaming away from the Badass X naming scheme as much as possible.
- Cut, redefine or re-purpose things that are just Badass + trait.
There are also a lot of tropes that seem to be valid character-types, but have the naming scheme 'Badass X', when there's more to the trope than that. There are also a lot of prop or event or whatever tropes that need to be gone through as well.
Edited by Berrenta on May 15th 2020 at 7:39:14 AM
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Agreed. I personally favor a Trope Transplant for Badass Bureaucrat (assuming the trope it sounds like actually exists), but we'll see what others have to say.
edited 14th Jan '12 11:57:06 PM by nrjxll
I see the Awesomeness.
Perhaps a Badass Accesories subindex for clothing/items that indicate a badass is using them would be the best way to break off that particular section. Another for Badass Establishment Scene.
Fight smart, not fair.
That One Guy
That could be good.
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Rabid Fujoshi
Also agree Badass Bureaucrat to TRS.
SPATULA, Supporters of Page Altering To Urgently Lead to Amelioration (supports not going through TRS for tweaks and minor improvements.)
That One Guy
That's probably necessary as well, yeah.
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I see the Awesomeness.
Moved,
- Badass Bystander: They were minding their own business until your turned their world upside down. Now, they will make you regret that mistake. (still think this is more of a plot trope than a character type, which is what the name implies. Needs a misuse check for being used as a character type rather than as a way that a character is met (making it more of a scene)
- Badass Cape: Long flowing capes... the traditional accessory of certain breeds of badass. (Badass Accessory.
- Badass in Charge: The boss kicks ass. (I think this is a character type, where as the below are ways of being in charge)
- Authority Equals Asskicking/Asskicking Equals Authority: The higher your rank and/or number of victories respectively, especially against Worthy Opponents, the more badass you are. (Badass identifier)
- Badass Creed: A philosophy that espouses badass as a central tenet. (either an accessory, although that's stretching the term quite far, or an identifier most likely)
I'm not sure whether Asskicking Equals Authority really belongs on this list - it's more about the "rule by the toughest" sort of thing.
Hammer of the Pervs
I used to like the word badass, but now I hate it so much if I met it in a bar I'd give it a Glasgow Kiss.
I very much support this project. I'll put some work in tomorrow after the gym.
"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
I see the Awesomeness.
Martello, there's very little actual "work" (ie: rewriting pages, changing wicks) compared to looking at a trope and making a judgement call based on the information given.
Does anyone else back up, refute, or otherwise have opinions on the five tropes I listed in this post.
Looks good to me.
As noted, I maintain that Asskicking Equals Authority isn't a true "badass indicator" and doesn't really belong.
Agreed on the other tropes.
I see the Awesomeness.
Noted, will move it to remove, since it's actually the opposite correct?
Fight smart, not fair.
I see the Awesomeness.
Moved.
Next batch.
- Badass Damsel: She's NOT as helpless as she looks. (I'd say contrast, but isn't this a direct contradiction?)
- Badass Driver: Give them a vehicle, and they will do hardcore, death defying shit with it. (seems kinda pointless, this just seems like a stunt driver or something)
- Car Fu: Their Weapon Of Choice naturally. (car as a weapon, not a badass trope, but a badass might use one)
- Badass Finger Snap: A badass snaps his fingers and AWESOME happens. (hm, I can sort of see this, it's something the stoic badass is likely to do after making a Clean Cut or something)
- Badass Furry: Their furry body is just an extension of how badly they plan to epically make your life suck for trifling with them. (cut, badass+trait)
cannot into space
Okay, Cut Badass Furry, and movie badass finger snap to badass establishing moments.
I don't know about badass driver.
Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.
Badass Driver seems like it's definitely a trope - the ground vehicle equivalent of the Ace Pilot. But I don't think it's a badass trope, and should probably be removed from the index.
I don't understand Badass Damsel or Badass Finger Snap at all. Badass Furry should definitely be cut outright.
edited 21st Jan '12 9:14:07 PM by nrjxll
Badass Damsel is a contrast trope, though it could maybe use a rename. Badass Finger Snap is "I make awesome things happen by snapping my fingers." That one bears more looking into, though.
Badass Damsel really seems like an oxymoron, though. And the examples don't help much (a common trend with these tropes, naturally).
That One Guy
Glad we all agree Badass Furry can go. As for Badass Damsel, a new name at least sounds good.
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So, looks like everything in that set is for TRS, except for Car Fu (which can simply be dropped from the list) and Badass Furry (which is toast)?
I see the Awesomeness.
Badass Fingersnap: A wild badass shows up, Badass Cape billowing in the wind. An enraged mook makes a menacing gesture toward the helpless bystandard. The wild badass darts forward drawing his sword faster than the eye can see and passes the mook. The mook freezes. The wild badass reaches a single hand up into the face siloutte and snaps. The mook flies apart in a torrent of blood and chunks.
Badass Damsel seems to be trying to be "Damsel in Distress but not a lame character". We may want to move it to cut.
Badass Driver: I think we may want to rename to Ace Driver or something.
Fight smart, not fair.
Badass Damsel... I've seen one before, so I'd say it's a trope. However, it needs a major rewrite because it just sounds like Damsel in Distress Done Well. Also, too much gushing. Finally, I'm not sure it's really a Badass trope in the first place.
Badass Driver is a trope, but not a Badass trope. Same with Car Fu. Rename the former out of the snowclone.
Badass Finger Snap is one of the establisher tropes.
Badass Furry is not a trope at all. Axe it.
cannot into space
Completely agree.
I still think Badass Finger Snap needs a TRS for clarification. Same with Badass Damsel.
Badass Bureaucrat needs to go to TRS. Bystander and Bookworm both can stay, although Bookworm may want a rename. Top 2 obviously go with the "Badassness establishing stuff" category.
Go play Kentucky Route Zero. Now.