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 101 resetlocksley, Fri, 6th Jul '12 4:05:44 PM from Knowhere Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fantastic!
I don't know what to expect...

That might actually be a good thing, or at least a neutral thing. If you don't know what to expect, it's unlikely that what you watch will feel cliched or predictable, right? (Not that I think Firefly is really cliched or predictable.) Of course, if it renders things unintelligible, that's not a good thing. In any case, don't give up on Firefly. It really is a great show. I think (I can't say for sure, since I'm not you) once you make sense of the roles being filled by the characters, the show will begin to go more smoothly for you. Even if you're not familiar with the tropes or devices involved, it will be pretty easy to say "Okay, so he's the big tough guy, she's a cheerful adorable mechanic, and he's a mouthy goofy pilot." Once you've got the characters figured out, the narrative shouldn't be too hard to follow. I think. Maybe.

Like I said, I can't say for sure since I'm not you. :D But I do hope you come to enjoy Firefly. And if not, well at least you tried to expand your horizons. Lots of people don't bother trying.

edited 6th Jul '12 4:06:04 PM by resetlocksley

If you're ever in doubt, I'm probably being facetious.
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 102 Twentington, Fri, 6th Jul '12 8:01:40 PM from Somewhere Relationship Status: Desperate
Mustelidae = awesome
[up]That's kind of a double edged sword too. Since I'm on unfamiliar ground and don't know what to expect, I don't know if I even should be liking a thing, or if I'm only telling myself I like it because it's popular and/or someone else I know likes it. Then I remember I hate a lot of stuff that is popular...
Windmill, windmill for the land / Is everybody in?

 103 Nicknacks, Fri, 6th Jul '12 9:03:14 PM from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
I don't know what to expect of any fantasy plots, for one.

Do unicorns turn up in fantasy stories, y/n? Do you think that dragons guarding treasure is a thing that would happen in a fantasy story? You get that wizards tend to be magical, have big white beards and be very wise and somewhat old, right?

If you can answer any of those questions, then you probably know enough to "read" a generic fantasy text. Equally, you probably know enough to read a generic Western, or Sci-fi. (What I'm suggesting is that I'm confident that you can have the confidence in yourself to know what these genres are, and shouldn't need to worry. smile You'll easily get Firefly, or any other show, ever, even if you've never watched much or anything like it. You've absorbed a lot of knowledge via osmosis.)

I don't know if I even should be liking a thing

If you're liking something, you're liking it, surely? Is it much more complicated than that?

edited 6th Jul '12 9:04:49 PM by Nicknacks

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Mentor
The first bit of the pilot is really terrible. I think they shoulda just started from when they land the ship. Less jumping around while the audience is left wondering wtf is happening and why should we care.

Skipping right to the train job episode is not a bad idea, really. It's a more easy to understand entrance to the series and once you've got that down going back to the pilot is easier.

I still hold onto a sliver of hope that the series will get picked up again. I don't know if Joss even wants to renew it though, come to think of it.

edited 7th Jul '12 12:07:02 PM by thatguythere47

 105 Mukora, Sat, 7th Jul '12 1:37:18 PM from a place Relationship Status: Love is an open door
Uniocular
Meh. I liked the first bit of the pilot.

"We can't die, we're too pretty."
 106 TParadox, Sat, 7th Jul '12 4:27:00 PM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Don't be the penis.
It might have been better to find a spot to put the battlefield flashback later in the story, after we get a sense of what we're actually going to be dealing with, and bookend it like a flashback.

I can't recall, did we even get a "five years later..."?
 107 Mukora, Sat, 7th Jul '12 4:30:20 PM from a place Relationship Status: Love is an open door
Uniocular
I don't think we did.

But as someone who went in knowing nothing but "space western" and "Joss Whedon, " I caught on fairly quickly, so I don't think it was needed.
 108 TParadox, Sat, 7th Jul '12 4:32:08 PM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Don't be the penis.
I'm not sure if I caught on on my own or if that scene was fully explained to me first.

I was introduced to the show mostly by seeing references all over this site and figuring "I'll never watch it, I may as well reveal all these spoilers."
 109 Nicknacks, Sun, 8th Jul '12 4:16:11 AM from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
Yeah, I had trouble following either.

I just find the pacing off, and the thing looks hideously cheap and the dramatic action unconvicing. The slo-mo end shot being the hilarious capper to the entire bloody* affair.

Firefly could often look unfortunately cheap. Which can make it difficult to convince people to watch, despite its clear pedigree and quality.
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 110 Inverurie Jones, Sun, 8th Jul '12 4:57:14 AM from Station 78 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
'80s TV Action Hero
The only episode I thought looked cheap was the Train Job, what with the obvious Starship Troopers props.
Winter is Coming

I don't always do stuff, but when I do, it's freakin' awesome.

 111 Nicknacks, Sun, 8th Jul '12 5:34:56 AM from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
I find some of Safe to look fairly cheap. Combination of that final sequence with the spaceship and the burning stakes, the flashbacks to the core worlds, and some of those Alliance Interiors. That, and the occasional set/object from Heart Of Gold or Trash.

I do agree about Niska's office, though.
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[up][up]The Starship Troopers props was kinda hilarious. I spent that episode wondering if they were meant to be the same universe.

[up]Your post way back was an excellent analysis of something I already knew, but reading it actually taught me a lot of the mechanics of why I like Firefly, so kudos for that!

 113 resetlocksley, Sun, 5th Aug '12 1:24:20 PM from Knowhere Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fantastic!
So, Twentington, have you watched any more Firefly?
If you're ever in doubt, I'm probably being facetious.
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 114 Thnikkafan, Fri, 9th Nov '12 10:09:44 PM from Faroe Islands (not really) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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Alright, resurrecting this thread because I have an idea that I want sub-ideas for. The idea for a Firefly Mirror Universe story popped into my head a while back. Their mirrored counterparts (who have arrived via Swirly Energy Thing) are mirrors of the crew in regards to personality and (roughly) morality, but not in competence, i.e. Mirror!Wash is a fantastic pilot, Mirror!Kaylee is still really good with engines, et cetera. I have most of the cast narrowed down, but some I can't figure out how to mirror. Those would be Zoe and Inara. Any of you know how Mirror Universe versions of those two would be like?
Just call me Staghorn. It's not like you can pronounce Thnikkafan, anyway.
 115 Nicknacks, Fri, 9th Nov '12 10:44:06 PM from Land Down Under
Ding-ding! Going down...
Zoe is Buffy-bot on helium?
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 116 3of 4, Sat, 10th Nov '12 3:56:14 AM from Five Seconds in the Future. Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Feeble Turtle Duck
Mirror Version of Inara? Would that be not very much be like Saffron?
LMage: NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR WITCHCRAFT THREE
 117 Mukora, Sat, 10th Nov '12 5:28:13 AM from a place Relationship Status: Love is an open door
 118 Maridee, Sat, 10th Nov '12 3:57:53 PM from the suburban jungle Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Zoe would be the Companion?
ophelia, you're breaking my heart
 119 AFP, Wed, 14th Nov '12 3:09:11 AM from The Pale Blue Dot Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
The Great and Wonderful
Pretty sure that Mirror!Inara would simply be Inara as The Vamp. Not like Saffron with her playign at being an Innocent Fanservice Girl, but rather a very refined, classy type who uses her Womanly Wiles (+10 against unattached men!) to manipulate those around her.

Mirror!Zoe I'm picturing as pretty much being a Hot-Blooded Blood Knight, sort of Mal's right-hand attack dog. For kicks and giggles, I'm trying to think of Mirror!Jayne, and I'm pretty sure he's the exact same guy, but with a goatee. Maybe a Genius Bruiser in this version who is always playing the angles in an ongoing game of Xanatos Speed Chess against his archrival, Simon of the Morally Ambiguous Doctorate. cool
Quod Scripsi Scripsi (until I use the edit function...)
 120 3of 4, Wed, 14th Nov '12 5:02:41 AM from Five Seconds in the Future. Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Feeble Turtle Duck
Jayne is the ships doctor and Simon is the Mindless Muscle? And they are a couple (just to screw with the main universe ones?)

j/k....
LMage: NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR WITCHCRAFT THREE
 121 Thnikkafan, Wed, 14th Nov '12 1:06:38 PM from Faroe Islands (not really) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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[up][up] Jayne already has a goatee.

Actually, with this, Mirror!Jayne is classy, soft-spoken, clean-shaven, somewhat feminine in appearance, intelligent, and disapproves of the less moral actions of the crew.

Mirror!Simon, on the other hand, isn't so much the Morally Ambiguous Doctorate, mostly because he completely lacks them. He's a cold, scary, almost unnatural operative of the Hands of Blue who is in charge of keeping and using Mirror!River, who he refuses to call anything but "Subject 06". His relationship with her, as he'd say, is "only genetics. Nothing more."

Ah, what the hell, I'll throw out what I'm thinking of doing with the rest of the ones I have down as well.

  • Mirror!Serenity is a Firefly-class vessel refurbished as an Alliance destroyer. Everything in it is the newest and best, and since that means they don't work well either with each other or with the Firefly, it's up to Mirror!Kaylee to keep it running. It is armed with several weapons, from machine guns to anti-ship lasers, as well as a magnetic grappler and a "scythe", a large blade mounted on a retractable cable.
  • Mirror!Mal is a man whose devotion to God is only matched by his devotion to the Alliance: "For God and the Alliance" is something of a Catch Phrase of his. He's the sort who would ask questions before shooting, but is more than willing to betray anyone if he has to, including his own crew.
  • Mirror!Wash is bad with people, very awkward and prone to rage, and only at home behind the wheel of a ship. When flying, he's cocky and prone to doing risky things (such as using a melee weapon with a ship), though he has the skill to pull them off. He dislikes and distrusts Mirror!Zoe, his ex-wife.
  • Mirror!Kaylee is sarcastic, pessimistic, and a bit mean. (Her personality is harder to explain, since I'm basing it on a friend of mine named Kayleigh who is radically different than Kaylee.)
  • Mirror!River, AKA "Subject 06", is two things. When not "working", she's like any other girl, if a bit dopey. When activated with a certain phrase, though, she turns into a ludicrously powerful, easily manipulable/abusable psychic, capable of implanting ideas, finding anything from anywhere in the 'verse, and snapping necks from a completely different planet.
  • Mirror!Book, known as Evans (for reasons that, if you've read "A Shepard's Tale", are apparent), is antitheistic, and oftentimes gets into fights with Mirror!Mal over it. Somewhat naive, he is open about what experiences he has had.

edited 14th Nov '12 4:38:54 PM by Thnikkafan

Just call me Staghorn. It's not like you can pronounce Thnikkafan, anyway.
 122 TParadox, Wed, 14th Nov '12 1:44:41 PM Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Don't be the penis.
Mirror!Jayne would be a woman named Jaque.
 123 3of 4, Wed, 14th Nov '12 4:59:03 PM from Five Seconds in the Future. Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Feeble Turtle Duck
You have me intrigued...
LMage: NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR WITCHCRAFT THREE
 124 Thnikkafan, Wed, 28th Nov '12 11:57:47 AM from Faroe Islands (not really) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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Alright, the "prologue" is finished. (It's more like an opening scene focused on the mirrored counterparts, but the main focus will be on the crew we know and love. I'm not sure if it's a prologue or a first chapter or what.) It will be posted once the first chapter is finished.

Also, I've finally got characterizations for Mirror!Zoe and Mirror!Inara down:

  • Mirror!Zoe is blonde, blue-eyed, bubbly, and psychotic. She's something of a Psychopathic Manchild, and is perfectly willing to stab people in the back. Or anywhere else, for that matter. She was married to Mirror!Wash, but the events of Mirror!"War Stories" led to a messy divorce, and since she's Mirror!Mal's second-in-command (and maybe more), and due to Mirror!Simon and Mirror!Book being the sort of people who knowing anything about them and not being in their sight means you know too much, meaning none of the crew can leave, Mirror!Wash and Mirror!Zoe are stuck in close proximity to each other. Hilarity Ensues, of course. Or death. We'll see.
  • Mirror!Inara is Saffron in every way but name, to the point where the original '"Serenity'' crew think that Mirror!Inara is Saffron and the mirrored crew make a similar mistake when Saffron shows up herself. She's the only "criminal" element of the crew, being a succubus and a con artist. Her relationship with Mirror!Mal is complicated, but less in the "Unresolved Sexual Tension" way and more in different ways.

Also, in the mirrored universe, Reavers are a complete myth, which may be important later.
Just call me Staghorn. It's not like you can pronounce Thnikkafan, anyway.
 125 maxwellelvis, Wed, 28th Nov '12 12:03:25 PM from undisclosed location Relationship Status: In my bunk
Mad Scientist Wannabe
[up]Succubus? I thought there weren't any aliens in Firefly.
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
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