Cleaning up : Anime Tropes

On Swirling Dust I don't know of a single example not from Japanese works so :S not even from sprite based videogames which these are insanely common. (all of the ones I know of are japanese)

Transfer Student Uniforms most of the western examples seem to be misuse... Voyager isnt a school, Fresh Prince is Non-Uniform Uniform. And wearing a uniform to a place that does not require one is not this trope as well. In western examples only the last 2 of the live action examples are this and thats pretty much it.

edited 30th Oct '11 12:27:21 PM by Raso

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Bumpity.

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Updated page.

Next batch:

• Widget Series

Woot, finally around the bend.

• Adjective Noun Fred
• Airplane of Love (might be Japanese symbolism, might be general)
• Artificial Riverbank (is this something that only occurs in Japan?)
• Bishie Sparkle (origin? might need TRS)

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Widget Series... seeing how Widget means Weird Japanese Thing.... lol. the rest IMO should be split off in another trope not shoehorned here.

And I have already stated my opinion on those 4 before and really haven't changed my opinion.

Artificial Riverbank really needs a repair shop and description cleanup... it is a staple feature of a lot of animes so much so that entire series are based on the location. in the exact same way flat area near the river with a grass slope going up to a dirt or cement road.

It is very much a Japanese stock location (slice of Life, Visual novels etc).

edited 4th Nov '11 2:34:04 PM by Raso

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Bishie Sparkle definitely originated in Japan. With Twilight (which probably wasn't influenced by anime), you're starting to see a lot more Western references/parodies to that instead of the Japanese version, but I still say keep.

I'm moving Cast Full of Pretty Boys to sorting. There is a note on it saying it should be in TRS, but I can't find it there. Judging from the edit history it might already have been repaired.

In any case though I cannot possibly see how it could be repaired into anything but a very general trope. So once we sort it, it should definitely be sorted into remove.

It's been through TRS. Very recently. It was Blue Bishōnen Ghetto but it wasn't the sister trope to Pink Bishojo Ghetto so it could have been confusing. Also, check TRS morgue for the thread.

edited 5th Nov '11 12:13:56 PM by TheOneWhoTropes

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I brought Furo Scene up in the TRS so i changed it's location in the sandbox accordingly.

In accordance with what The One Who Tropes said I removed the note about the trope being in TRS.

Okay, good to see that one got fixed.

@ Raso: the reason the tropes are coming up again is that there wasn't enough discussion or convincing going on.

edited 6th Nov '11 6:30:37 PM by Deboss

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<threadhops, looks around> Yeesh, I need to visit Special Efforts more often.

So we're sorting Anime Tropes into "pending TRS" and what other categories, now?

edited 10th Nov '11 5:38:08 AM by MarqFJA

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Sections by order and what they mean:

Needs to be sorted: tropes that need to be moved to another section after discussion. These are the ones that are generally discussed.

Remove: will simply be removed. No particular index chosen, but a note is generally next to the trope name mentioning the type of trope it is. A lot of translation and adaption tropes end up here.

Animation/Drawn tropes: tropes used by visual arts in general.

Japanese tropes: tropes from Japan (that don't fit into a subindex like Stock Japanese Characters).

Japanese Visual Arts Tropes: tropes specifically pertaining to visual arts and style (anime/manga/visual novels/etc). Usage of these tropes is what makes something Animesque. Subindex of Japanese Tropes

Anime Tropes: tropes that specifically come from Japanese animation. A subset of Japanese Visual Arts Tropes that requires animation to use. May or may not be lumped in with JVAT pending decision.

TRS: tropes that need repairing, most commonly for a "de-anime treatment" or rename.

Something being defined as Japanese doesn't mean no one else uses it, it means that the trope originated there (to the best of our knowledge), or it's become a dead horse outside of Japan. Ninja is an example of a Japanese trope that successfully migrated to being wide spread. That Thing That Goes Doink is an example of something that is very much a Japanese thingy.

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• Widget Series — decayed. "Widget" by definition means weird Japanese thing (so strictly Japanese), but the page has been happily crammed half full of other "weird nationality things". Needs to be split and TRS'd (there are a lot of X Just X examples in the anime/manga section at least)
• Adjective Noun Fred — (why is it Fred?) Japanese naming thing, the few Western examples seem to be parodies of the pattern
• Airplane of Love — afaik it's Japanese symbolism
• Artificial Riverbank — exist outside of Japan but it's a stock scene only in Japanese media
• Bishie Sparkle — Japanese visual

edited 11th Nov '11 9:16:54 AM by peccantis

Adjective Noun Fred was more a question of whether or not it's grammatical in other languages besides Japanese, rather than an origin in Japan, since it's a standard language trope (which I guess would be related to Translation Tropes?).

Does anyone have an objection to moving Airplane of Love to Japanese Tropes?

Is there a reason that Widget Series is supposed to be Japanese specific? If it's getting examples of "weird nationality things" I'd rather just expand it. Unless it's a pre-existing term?

If Artificial Riverbank is a stock setting as you say, I'd like to add in a Stock to the title.

Does anyone remember the objection to Bishie Sparkle?

Ah, paging back, only Setsuna and Raso commented, and did so in the opposite direction.

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Widget Series is a pre-existing term, and comes from WJT, or "Weird Japanese Thing." So definitely needs to stay somewhere on this index. I don't see a need to crop away all the non-Japanese examples, though. Yes, its expanded to mean "Weird Foreign Thing," but that's trope drift, not trope decay. If we get a chance, I'd support opening a TRS for it anyway, to maybe take a better look at the examples and such.

And support adding stock to Artificial Riverbank.

Hm, perhaps a general broadening.

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Artificial Riverbank isn't a stock location, even in anime. Sometimes it's wide and broad and parklike. Sometimes it's a little strip of grass at the end of a concrete slope. Sometimes it's entirely cement. Sometimes there's just a chainlink fence keeping you out of a steep drop.

Sometimes there's a bridge, sometimes there isn't one anywhere close causing the characters to try to cut across it another way. There's really no stock to it as it's drawn wildly different in different animes.

What is interesting about it is the fact that it's characters at a river and what should be a natural spot in an artificial world, and that sort of stuff is not confined to anime.

edited 12th Nov '11 7:10:30 AM by shimaspawn

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Artificial Riverbank is much more ubiquitous in anime/manga, however; you'd be hard-pressed to find an anime/manga set in modern-day Japan that doesn't have at least one scene were two or more people are walking by an Artificial Riverbank. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason is because such constructions are really that much of a common sight in real-life Japanese cities (or major ones like Tokyo, at least).

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It's only common in Anime set in an urban setting. But by that same token, it's just as common as it is in Western media set in an urban setting. Things in Paris go along the artificial banks of the Danube. Chicago the Chicago river. The Thames in London. It's all the same trope.

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Personally speaking, I don't remember seeing any artificial riverbank scene in any Western work (TV series or full-length movie) that I've seen over the past 15+ years of my life set in Paris/Chicago/London or any other a European/American city with a major river running through it, so regardless of whether or not it's common, it's clearly not ubiquitously/nigh-omnipresently common.

edited 12th Nov '11 11:00:17 AM by MarqFJA

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Actually they are rare in the major cities, at least in the form that appears in animes.

I very much disagree the only real variant is what the bottom of the slope looks like (Dirt, grass or a high river.) or if the road on top is paved or not.

It is for sure a stock Slice of Life anime / Visual Novel location with only minor variations (and very rarely will there be a boat or such out there.) it's like how nearly every Japanese Classroom will look the same with only minor variations (such as color scheme) so much so that when a unique one comes around like Negima Second Season 's stadium seating looking one people take notice.

Series that come to mind that feature one.

• Futari Wa Pretty Cure, Heart Catch Precure, Suite Precure: popular battle location as well as a Corner of Woe type (Come here to cry) location . (Especially for Heartcatch)
• Persona 4 The PC walks the road above the slope on the way to school so many times it's not funny. (Unusual in that the slopes grass is not well kept in that area... It is a small town)
• Yotsuba on the way to Fuuka's school and sitting on the slope watching fireworks.
• To Love Ru: combat location as well as a Corner of Woe thing, sometimes in a scene where they are walking to or from school.
• Ranma: same as TLR.
• Maji whatever (the series that I got the pic posted above that I can't spell the name of.) walking to and from school as well as martial arts training.
• Full Metal Panic Fumoffu: the two stars are sitting on the hill in the OP watching a sunset, also seen walking to school.
• Yuru Yuri: the four main girls are laying on the grass slope, holding hands and looking at the sky in the OP.
• Arakawa Under The Bridge: the entire series takes place at this location.

These are just those that come to mind right this second.

Never seen one remotely looking like this in any western work.

edited 12th Nov '11 11:16:24 AM by Raso

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Actually, the one that shows up the most in Ranma is the one on the way to school. There's a chainlink fence that Ranma walks along next to a steep cement drop off into the river. Things will randomly make him fall off the top of the fence and turn him into a girl.

I think you're having some selective memory issues here.

If you want a river bank that looks like that, there are parts of Paris that actually look as you describe and they frequently show up in works, both French animation and Live Action, for people to sit and talk on. Expand your media experiences.

edited 12th Nov '11 11:41:45 AM by shimaspawn

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Ranma's thing with a fence was not really a riverbank like these that was more of a canal or such being heavily elevated over the edge of the water instead of these which is just a trip down s small slope to the river's edge. No bank to it really.

Ranma did have this stock location though in a few eps here and there although I can't put a name on the episodes ATM. (That one with the twisted neck thing really comes to mind.)

edited 12th Nov '11 2:57:33 PM by Raso

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Then why do they refer to it as a river in both the English and the Japanese? The trope is a large spectrum. Not just the narrow little thing you're trying to confine it to.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

"Artificial rivers" do not always come with "artificial riverbanks", let alone the kind of artificial riverbank that the trope is about - the grassy slope that oftentimes leads to a short level strip just before the river itself, and where no natural or imposed obstructions exist between such a slope and the walking path.

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