Cleaning up : Anime Tropes

Yeah, in Western works an artificial river is a trash-filled hideout where the rebellious kids smoke. We probably don't have that trope, but we need it.

It's also a place where lovers meet and stare at the water below and have romantic talks. They can be lovely and picturesque. It entirely depends on the work.

edited 12th Nov '11 9:47:06 PM by shimaspawn

Hm, there's a thing that might be an artificial river bank by my house, I'll take a picture and you can confirm.

That wasn't a sign that you should stop discussing.

I've taken Pink Bishojo Ghetto out of the TRS section and put Improbably Female Cast in the needs sorting section.

Standing in the Hall has a really vague name and it has western examples listed. Well, minus the bucket thing. It's definitely not unheard of in the West and it's still used by some Real Life teachers (again, minus the bucket thing).

Any stance on Improbably Female Cast? I never understood the original definition, so if it's just a cast that is female when it shouldn't be, I'd say it's probably as old as whoever first figured out they could use women in tight outfits with whatever plot they wanted to draw in a male audience.

With the bucket thing, I think we might want to separate out "physical exertion punishment" type deals, and just call someone standing in the hall holding buckets an example of both. "Drop down and give me fifty!" would be exertion type. Y/N?

Improbably Female Cast = fully or mostly female cast when IRL it would be the other way around. Think of armies and loggers...

It's not Japan-specific nor anime-specific. It's pretty common in Japanese media though.

Improbably Female Cast move to "remove", other opinions?

Standing in the Hall needs a rename to Standing In The Hall Punishment, possibly move to "remove"? Might split off the holding buckets thing to a Physical Exertrion Punishment type of trope for when a teacher/drill sergeant or whatever punishes someone with physical exertion.

Artificial Riverbank seems to have several people supporting removal and some supporting keep. Leaning toward remove myself.

I'd back those movements.

3 for remove Improbably Female Cast, 3 for remove Artificial Riverbank.

edited 24th Nov '11 1:49:59 AM by peccantis

TRS Riverbank IMO.

Rename Standing in the Hall but keep here.

edited 24th Nov '11 5:32:34 PM by Raso

Moved Improbably Female Cast to remove, Standing in the Hall to TRS (and Japanese, TRS can figure out if it is or isn't for our purposes). Artificial Riverbank moved to TRS.

Five batch:

• Widget Series upon rereading, this seems to be an Advertising Trope, or at least is written that way.
• Adjective Noun Fred still think this is pure language/grammar trope, but I'm waiting for confirmation that Japanese is the only language that does this.
• Airplane of Love Japanese or Japanese Visual Arts? No one has found if this started in Anime/Manga or in just general Japanese culture. Or somewhere else.
• Bishie Sparkle (origin? might need TRS) continue arguments please
• Bishōnen Line (not sure on origin, might be from Japan) continue arguments please

The airplane thing sounds a lot like something that started as a shout-out to a specific poem or book, and became stock imagery that way. Japanese like to shout out to literature... (That was an understatement. They draw symbols for the scenes for Tale Of Genji in kimonos, and that they have set symbols for each chapter should say something...)

The sole folklore entry is Norwegian.

So, airplane is visual or literary or what? The only thing that makes me question whether or not it's visual is the cost of flying airplanes about like that.

I dont know it is a thing though I mean a jet has even appeared in the background of a Hentai flash game... it was an unusual detail when I saw it but now I understand what it meant.

edited 26th Nov '11 6:56:16 AM by Raso

It doesn't need to be visual, so it's pretty safe to assume it's appeared in music or some kind of non-visual literature.

I'm almost positive it's a form of visual symbolism. I do need to know if it originated in the Japanese visual arts, or some sort of film or something, purely for filing reasons.

Bumping since I'm active again for a while.

Bumping again.

Bumping incase TRS opens, there's a pile of tropes that need fixing at the bottom of the sandbox, and a note of the most likely solution.

Okay, I started three YKTTW's with the different indexes. I copy pasted this across the top of all of them.

Meta: Anime Tropes is being broken up and cleaned due to it being something of a mess and having various things added under it. This YKTTW was created so that any tropes that originated in Japan, but aren't on Anime Tropes can be found and moved to the correct Index. There are several indexes that are being created, they can be viewed here and if you would like to participate in the conversation of where they go, go here. There are still more tropes that need sorting as well, discuss where you think the various tropes should go in the linked forum thread.

• Japanese Tropes
• Japanese Visual Art Tropes
• Japanese Animation Tropes

We still need to add the tropes from Japan to those lists. (Some might go on both easily.)

edited 24th Dec '11 12:25:30 PM by Raso

Gonna launch all three tropes soon. No one has made any suggestions, and we didn't drum up any discussion in the thread. Any ideas on what we should do with the remaining tropes that need to be sorted?