So, I had in mind to replace So Bad, It's Horrible with Sandbox.So Bad Its Horrible as the current page spends a bit too much giving orders on how to add an example and too little on explaining what the concept means, as well as being too long, period.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Improbable Chopsticks Skill needs expansion.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
I think both Dude, Not Funny! and Viewers Are Morons, need re-writing a bit to make it clear that these tropes are for In-Universe examples only and are not Audience Reactions, the former used to be one and the latter has always been treated like it was one despite that never being the case.
World's Toughest Milkman
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I like it, but I'm not quite sure. Definitely headed in the right direction, though.
One quibble: the black hole analogy is amusing, but I'm not sure it's very clear. (Or physically accurate.) I'd also like to keep the Sturgeon's Law reference from the original, but I may be prejudiced, since I like Sturgeon. 
It's actually nice to see something that short and to-the-point. But I agree, it could use a bit of expansion. Like a second sentence. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
I'm not an expert in the genre, but I may take a stab at it tomorrow. If I'm in the mood, I might be able to manage a whole paragraph.
One thing that would really help would be some related tropes to mention...
Yow! Those are monster walls-of-text, aren't they? And I agree, much too easy to mistake for audience reactions.
Asking again for commentary on the So Bad It's Horrible rewrite.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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"So Bad..." is what I was discussing in the first section of my last comment.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
Yes, I did post from an old browser tab.
That quibble is legit, yes. Would "It has none" work better?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
World's Toughest Milkman
Maybe, though it might be good to work in something about Gravity Sucks somewhere.
So changed. Bit wary of potholing to a completely unrelated trope.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Speaking of, I just removed a citationless sinkhole to that all-time champion misuse magnet Unfortunate Implications.
Well, that pothole was actually correct. A lot of people improperly add Unfortunate Implications-based examples to SBIH, which is wrong.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
All righty then. But can we maybe keep it to a commented-out warning (or change the wording of the potholed text; "offensive content" doesn't always mean UI after all.) EDIT: Fixed it to refer to both Unfortunate Implications and generally offensive content. Also, should I add a warning re: SBIH's ban on fanfic? Or are we going to make a trial run of that again (preferably locked to prevent it fro. becoming a Rule 34 shitshow like before)? Not all horrible fanfic is predominantly sexual in nature; just look at My Immortal. Mass canon defilement, shitty spelling and grammar, and one of the worst Mary Sues in existence. I'm sure we can find others.
edited 2nd Jan '17 1:27:02 AM by Theatre_Maven_3695
I have no opinion on the Fan Fic issue. Also, my impression was that Unfortunate Implications is a general "offensiveness" audience reaction.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
If you say so. But implications don't really come into play when it comes to, say, patently offensive gross out content, do they?
The Unknown
Maybe it's because I'm on mobile right now, but I feel like Peggy Sue might need a little trimming.
Also, I take umbrage at it being presented as a Fan Fic trope in the description when most of the listed examples are from outside that medium.
edited 5th Jan '17 12:52:05 PM by Karxrida
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Yeah; that needs TRS. I would want a substantial rewrite, and probably a rename of the trope.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Lost in Space
I don't even see how it's a trope, but the name is awful.
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All it is Mental Time Travel to Set Right What Once Went Wrong. If both those tropes apply, then this one does...so we probably don't need it as a separate thing.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Peggy Sue is an established term, per the two preceding rename threads. It's a type of plot.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
World's Toughest Milkman
Is it? I tried several google searches, and didn't find anything (other than our page), even after I excluded Buddy Holly from my results. I found a few pages claiming to list the "meaning" of Peggy Sue, and none of them mentioned anything like this trope. (Except, again, us.)
eta: even Urban Dictionary doesn't mention anything like our trope.
edited 5th Jan '17 2:34:13 PM by Xtifr
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
Peggy Sue has always been one of those awful names that I would have pushed to change long ago if it wasn't so difficult to get anything into TRS. Totally opaque.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
@Totemic; the fact that the trope (based on the current description and Trope Namer) cannot be used more than once, I think it is sufficiently distinct. TRS thread posted
"Peggy Sue" plus "fanfic", not just the two words themselves.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Totemic, the fact that a trope is a combination of two others does not necessarily make it not a trope. Especially if, as in this case, either of those other two is often used independently of the other
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I'm nearly there now.right?
edited 9th Dec '16 2:50:14 PM by Ultimatum
New theme music also a box