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How do I defeat a seemingly invincible villain?:

 1 Zennistrad, Fri, 29th Jul '11 5:27:34 PM from Inndikar Relationship Status: Star-crossed
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I'm writing something right now that has the final Big Bad be somthing so powerful that the heroes really don't stand any sort of chance against it.

Considering that in my story, the heroes outright lost to the previous, less powerful Big Bad and only ended up winning when he was Hoist by His Own Petard, what exactly am I going to do?
Reduce, Reuse, Regurgitate.

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Well, I like to follow this rule of thumb: When in doubt, Hurl It into the Sun.

...The sad part is I'm actually seriously suggesting this. Although it does kind of depend what resources/abilities your heroes have at their disposal, I suppose... Hmmm.
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Ahhh, one of the toughest tricks of a writer. Writing a nearly unstoppable person. That's where the creativity comes in. Of course outright killing it is almost out of the question. Find a way to seal it or A Fate Worse Than Death him.
You could, y'know... not make the villain seemingly invincible. That would be a good way to not make the main characters look like Marty Stus.
 
 5 Zennistrad, Fri, 29th Jul '11 5:32:59 PM from Inndikar Relationship Status: Star-crossed
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Hmm, I think I've got an idea.

The said villain is actually a form of artificial life, maybe I could just have the heroes fighting its embryonic form, before the vast majority of its strength has developed?

edited 29th Jul '11 5:33:29 PM by Zennistrad

Reduce, Reuse, Regurgitate.

My Fanfic.
Good Lord, if you don't know how to resolve having a nearly invincible villain, then don't make a nearly invincible villain.

Never love your story too much to alter it greatly. Murder your darlings.

Also, you gave us two lines of text. What can we work with two lines of text?
 
 7 Zennistrad, Fri, 29th Jul '11 7:02:23 PM from Inndikar Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Gatherer of Magic
Hmm, I think I've got it.

The heroes somehow manage to tamper with the development of the said artificial lifeform with a specially engineered virus, reducing it to roughly a billionth of its intended power. Even so, it is still roughly as strong as the combined efforts of the heroes.
Reduce, Reuse, Regurgitate.

My Fanfic.
 8 deathjavu, Fri, 29th Jul '11 7:31:09 PM from The internet, obviously
This foreboding is fa...
But if it's so weak, how does the previous big bad succumb to it?
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It would help if you gave more specifics about what kind of heroes, what kind of villain, and what kind of setting we're dealing with.
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 10 Chabal 2, Thu, 4th Aug '11 1:17:59 PM from Plains of Tolosa
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If you can't kill it, trap it (or render it helpless). For example, one Planetary story had a Hulk-analogue thrown into a giant pit dug by nukes, all his strength and size were of no avail.

 11 JHM, Thu, 4th Aug '11 1:54:56 PM from Neither Here Nor There Relationship Status: I know
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Depending upon how you write this one, you can always have them lose...
 12 Handsome Rob, Thu, 4th Aug '11 4:44:32 PM from A very angry place Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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kick him in the nads.cool

Right. Serious answer.

How about..........convincing him what he's doing is wrong?

You never said the guy was irredeemable. It's slim chance, but it might work.
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 13 JO Zeldenrust, Thu, 4th Aug '11 5:08:08 PM from Arnhem, The Netherlands
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If you're deconstructing Reed Richards is Useless, giving the villain a job seems like a reasonable sollution.

ETA: sorry, mixing up threads.

edited 4th Aug '11 5:09:39 PM by JOZeldenrust

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 14 Jimmmyman 10, Fri, 5th Aug '11 8:00:10 AM from polan Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Generally, when the heroes can't win, you resort to not fighting, instead doing things like Summon Bigger Fish, or Hoist by His Own Petard. If your villian is intelligent and not too genre savvy, you can always have the heroes outwit him as well.
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 15 Voltech 44, Fri, 5th Aug '11 8:53:42 AM from Alongside a Virtual Weasel
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I don't suppose making it really, really sad is an option...?
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 16 Logan Locksley, Fri, 5th Aug '11 11:17:01 AM from On the ceiling
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Subject him to Villain Decay and have the heroes Take a Level in Badass, while the side characters say "Let's Get Dangerous!"

Give him a weakness, or a debilitating heart defect, or something that makes him vulnerable at a certain point or have his Mooks betray him...there are a lot of possibilities.

edited 5th Aug '11 11:20:54 AM by LoganLocksley

He's like fire and ice and rage. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time. Rory punched him in the face.
Or, maybe you could kill the heroes. Or perhaps the villain's incubator could be used to destroy him, since it's powerful enough to contain him.

 
Two words: Downer Ending.

Unless you are trying to write an idealistic series that absolutely must end with the hero saving the world and getting the girl, making it so that the heroes lost is always a legit option.

See also: Space Runaway Ideon, Naru Taru and Bokurano.
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 19 doorhandle, Mon, 29th Aug '11 3:05:40 AM from Space Australia!
Bittersweet ending could also work.

Also, you never said it as IMMOBILE: knock it into orbit, or at least really far from it's goals. Tying a rocket to it is reccomened.

I have a similar problem, at the moment my final big bad completly outclasses the hero ( and all the other good guys ) by several orders of magnitude. Though I do sort of have a solution in the form a more or less neutral eccentric mentor who is even more absurdly overpowered, I'd just like to have the hero do it.

 21 nrjxll, Sat, 24th Mar '12 3:13:46 AM Relationship Status: Not war
I'm just gonna go with an earlier poster on this one:

Good Lord, if you don't know how to resolve having a nearly invincible villain, then don't make a nearly invincible villain.

 22 Ars Thaumaturgis, Sat, 24th Mar '12 6:10:44 PM Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
How about..........convincing him what he's doing is wrong?

Similarly, you could turn it on itself or redirect it, perhaps by convincing it that another target is the real threat, rendering it ineffective via insanity or in the former case by convincing it to target itself. Depending on your setting and Big Bad, this could involve illusions, mind control, reprogramming, hallucinatory illness, psychology, lies, misleading spacetime geometry or even Gaslighting (for patient heroes).

edited 24th Mar '12 6:12:25 PM by ArsThaumaturgis

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You can make yoru heroes soutsmart him. Raw power isn't everything.
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Good Lord, if you don't know how to resolve having a nearly invincible villain, then don't make a nearly invincible villain.

seriously, this

edited 24th Mar '12 6:13:09 PM by Culex3

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