Random

Too many tropes being labeled "Medium-specific"?:

Total posts: [195]
1 2 3
4
5 6 7 8
76 Deboss15th Oct 2011 01:33:58 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
That component occurred to me. If one genre is popular in a particular medium/country, it's more likely to use tropes from the genre.

It should be noted that "I mostly see this in [medium X]" means precisely jack shit if that's the medium you consume the most.
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
Aspect Montage isn't bad now... but my strong suspicion is that it originated in film. Unfortunately, my knowledge of "camera tropes," and especially the history thereof, is pretty limited. But it seems like one of those things Orson Welles and other guys probably did long before manga.
78 shimaspawn16th Oct 2011 09:03:37 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
It certainly is far far older than anime and manga. Here we have fan myopia at it's best.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
I'm no cinematography expert either, but my gut feeling is that Aspect Montage is common in film.
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
80 Deboss16th Oct 2011 06:56:45 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Hence my preference for "don't talk about it's presence in mediums". They can't do it right, so take away the ability to do it badly.
I don't have time to take it to TRS at the moment, even if they were accepting new threads, but a few of the genres for the Crime and Punishment Tropes section are overly medium specific in title and/or description.

Buddy Cop Show, Cop Show, and Crime Time TV come to mind.

Crime Time TV in particular neads a rename and needs to be sent back to YKTTW for a more examples, because there are a ton of examples in other mediums that are underrepresented.

edited 29th Nov '11 9:30:29 AM by Auxdarastrix

I'd like opinions on whether Bubbly Clouds describes only a video game level trope, or should be rewritten as a medium-neutral setting trope? It has acquired a couple non-game examples, and the description isn't good about specifying video-game specific things, like stock mooks and obstacles, that tie it to that medium.

It almost seems to me that Fluffy Cloud Heaven (Heaven is the land of Solid Clouds) and Bubbly Clouds (Solid Clouds video game level with stock enemies and obstacles) should both be subtropes of a Solid Cloud Land trope.

edited 18th Mar '12 9:06:50 AM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
83 HersheleOstropoler18th Mar 2012 12:52:06 PM from BK.NY.US , Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Would it help to make, e.g., Buddy Cop Movie and Buddy Cop Book as redirects to Buddy Cop Show?

edited 18th Mar '12 12:52:14 PM by HersheleOstropoler

The child is father to the manOedipus
Myself
Kids Wilderness Epic is a "A movie genre" with a very limiting description. I Was thinking about a mon anime that would fit well under Kids Wilderness Epic, but...
85 Deboss21st Mar 2012 01:22:29 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Bam. I'm surprised that we actually managed to find one like that. It'd be nice if someone could summarize the points in a paragraph though.
someone
Webcomics Multiverses needs looking at. it's basically "The Verse, except with webcomics". Already did a TRS for lack of use.
something
Not sure if I've followed the thread correctly, is it of general opinion that tropes are non-medium specific outside of mechanics (example: no visual tropes in literature) and explanations of origins/popularity?

Out of curiosity, are there any other tropes that have eastern-western counterparts/is there are page with an index/list? Like Bishōnen and Pretty Boy.
88 Deboss25th Mar 2012 06:34:31 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Overall,

tropes are non-medium specific outside of mechanics (example: no visual tropes in literature) and explanations of origins/popularity

is what I consider to be accurate. I would note, however, that just because a trope originates somewhere and is known to us, doesn't mean it's migrated yet. It's also possible that examples will bias themselves depending on current trends.

Essentially, I don't view the majority of the problem as the inherently malignant "this trope belongs to this medium, everyone else can fuck off" as "hm, I mostly see this trope in this medium I consume a lot, I should lead the description with that" fluff in the description. It's just that B looks like A if you're not familiar with it.
89 HersheleOstropoler25th Mar 2012 06:46:42 PM from BK.NY.US , Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Also, a montage can be discussed in a book about filmmaking or whatever.
The child is father to the manOedipus
[up]I should have added "apart from Discussed Tropes and shows within a show" as they have absolutely no limits.

[up][up] The migration part is true, but I suppose that's more of a "there aren't any examples from medium X" rather than "we're not going to list examples from medium X". (using "medium" for sentence structure, since it's more of a location thing)

edited 25th Mar '12 7:03:58 PM by Jicragg

91 Deboss25th Mar 2012 07:15:58 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Yes. The problem is when bits of the latter make their way into the description. It's not always intentional, it's just that some people start a trope description the way they would an entry on Lost and Found where they reference several works that are examples. It takes some practice to learn what description components are useful and what are gunk that clogs the trope.
92 lebrel26th Mar 2012 09:53:17 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
@87: "Out of curiosity, are there any other tropes that have eastern-western counterparts/is there are page with an index/list? Like Bishōnen and Pretty Boy."

There are a couple of tropes that are Asian-only (usually because they have Japanese names), but I don't know of any other that has a specific counterpart. Although I'd argue that Bishōnen and Pretty Boy are separate tropes anyway.
Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.
93 ccoa26th Mar 2012 10:06:43 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
I found Sound-Coded for Your Convenience today, and I'm wondering if this is truly video game specific. It seems to me that other mediums can use sound to help you tell things apart - I believe Audible Sharpness uses different pitches to tell you how sharp and large the weapon is, no?

The gameplay mechanic might be a valid subtrope, though.

edited 26th Mar '12 10:08:47 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
94 Deboss26th Mar 2012 12:13:17 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Does Leit Motif count for that?

edited 26th Mar '12 12:13:34 PM by Deboss

95 shimaspawn26th Mar 2012 01:10:28 PM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
Leitmotif (one word) is a sister trope to it. It's a musical number that's associated with a character, but it doesn't appear every time the character does and Sound-Coded for Your Convenience includes a lot of things that aren't music.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
It's especially important to game design, particularly as a feedback mechanisim, where sound is an important indicator of what's happening and the effect of what you're doing. But yeah, the title should belong to a broader trope, and Leitmotif plus the video game trope (Audio Feedback ?) should be its subtropes.
97 ccoa27th Mar 2012 10:42:37 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
For a transplant and a supertrope that'll most likely need a YKTTW, does this need a TRS thread?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
This came up in Image Pickin', but the description Foreign Fanservice does seem rather anime/manga orientated.
Cure Candy
[up][1]

edited 29th Mar '12 12:25:01 AM by Raso

[up]That's a good way to put it.

Although I'd argue that Bishōnen and Pretty Boy are separate tropes anyway.
I don't know. There's nothing in either of the trope pages to say there's a difference except one is East and one is West.

Total posts: 195
1 2 3
4
5 6 7 8